UK net migration hits record high
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Bold Seagull
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Of course they're not all happy, I've not seen / heard any reports that don't qualify their statements with not everyone in Germany is pleased about this. They will have those who don't want more immigrants just like we do.
Guy Crouchback
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There is one more interesting aspect of the current immigration crisis. Here's a photo published yesterday by "La Repubblica", showing refugees marching from Budapest towards Vienna...
... and one more...
... my friend who has a PhD in sociology tells me that in a typical war refugees group the ratio of young men to women and children is about 1:3. In this (and all the other photos I've seen so far) the ratio is not even reversed but closer to 10:1. Intriguing, isn't it?
... and one more...
... my friend who has a PhD in sociology tells me that in a typical war refugees group the ratio of young men to women and children is about 1:3. In this (and all the other photos I've seen so far) the ratio is not even reversed but closer to 10:1. Intriguing, isn't it?
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pastafarian
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Pork Knuckle Pete would disagree with you,he welcomes everyone to Germany,all asylum seekers,all economic migrants and all refugees.They are all welcome in Germany according to him
Booming economy, leading the EU, World Cup winners, trains running on time, yup.....she's lost it
nicko31
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Booming economy, leading the EU, World Cup winners, trains running on time, yup.....she's lost it
Congratulations, how many do you want to take 1, 5, 10 million? You have plenty of good players already..
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ees-out-of-governmentheld-areas-10488379.html
Islamic State (Isis) forces in Syria are threatening to capture a crucial road, the loss of which could touch off a panic and the exodus of several million refugees from government areas, in addition to the four million who have already fled. Isis fighters have advanced recently to within 22 miles of the M5 highway, the only major route connecting government-held territory in Damascus to the north and west of the country.
The beginnings of the latest crisis for the government of President Bashar al-Assad came with the capture by Isis on 6 August of the strategically placed, largely Christian town of al-Qaryatain, north-east of Damascus. Since then, Islamist units have advanced further west, capturing two villages closer to the M5. The Syrian Army has so far failed to retake Qaryatain, where Isis has demolished the St Elian monastery, parts of which were 1,500 years old.
The four million Syrians who are already refugees mostly came from opposition or contested areas that have been systematically bombarded by government aircraft and artillery, making them uninhabitable. But the majority of the 17 million Syrians still in the country live in government-controlled areas now threatened by Isis. These people are terrified of Isis occupying their cities, towns and villages because of its reputation for mass executions, ritual mutilation and rape against those not obedient to its extreme variant of Sunni Islam.
Half the Syrian population has already been displaced inside or outside the country, so accurate figures are hard to estimate, but among those particularly at risk are the Alawites (2.6 million), the Shia heterodox sect that has provided the ruling elite of Syria since the 1960s, the Christians (two million), the Syrian Kurds (2.2 million), and Druze (650,000) in addition to millions of Sunni Arabs associated with the Syrian government and its army. The forced flight of these communities could swiftly double the total number of refugees to eight million.
Government forces are showing signs of being fought out after four years of war and have recently suffered a series of defeats at the hands of Isis, which captured Palmyra in May, and by a coalition led by the al-Qaeda affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, which took Idlib city in March. But it would be a far more serious defeat for President Assad if Isis cuts the M5, which is seen as “the spinal column of the regime”. The government has never lost control of it for an extended period, though the road has been closed to civilian traffic by snipers hiding in the ruins of north Damascus, where whole districts have been blown up or bulldozed by the government. On two occasions, Nusra fighters seized the ancient Christian village of Maaloula, just off the M5, forcing inhabitants to escape to Damascus.
Governments and people in the EU have had to pay horrified attention to the plight of refugees in the past few days because of pictures of the drowned body of Aylan al-Kurdi. But there is scant attention to the deteriorating security situation in Syria that could produce millions more migrants fleeing for their lives.
The UNHCR says that Syria has “become the world’s top source country of refugees, overtaking Afghanistan, which had held this position for more than three decades”. Out of every four new refugees in the world today, one will be a Syrian. Commenting on this exodus, and the likelihood that it will be exacerbated if Isis cuts the M5 highway, the online humanitarian news and analysis publication, IRIN, says that “Europe’s current migration crisis is essentially the arrival of the Syrian crisis on European shores.”
Unfortunately, European concern about ending the refugee crisis has not energised efforts to end the war in Syria which shows every sign of getting worse. Assad’s forces are getting weaker and he admits to a shortage of troops, but territory lost by him is usually occupied by Isis, Jabhat al-Nusra or Ahrar al-Sham, all Salafi-jihadi movements with the same violent and intolerant ideology.
Even former advocates of the “moderate” Syrian rebels, say that today the armed opposition is dominated by extreme fundamentalists. Their dominance makes it impossible to create any power-sharing government in Damascus that would be key to ending the war.
The Damascus government and its army are unlikely to implode as happened in Libya or northern Iraq, but people in government areas are understandably frightened by recent military reverses. Many argue that they and their families should get out while they can. Living in government areas does not always mean that they are in favour of Assad remaining in power, but they fear that the alternative to the present regime will be far worse. Isis deliberately foments terror by showing videos of its atrocities to create panic among soldiers and civilians, and there is also the knowledge that the Syrian Army will bombard any place from which it retreats.
David Cameron said last week: “We think that the most important thing is to try to bring peace and stability to that part of the world.” But in practice, Britain, the US, Gulf monarchies and Turkey have exacerbated the Syrian conflict by supporting an armed opposition that from an early stage was led by extreme jihadis. As early as August 2012 a Defense Intelligence Agency report states that “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI [Al- Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”
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Life as a woman under Isis
Isis militants crucify headless corpses and burn down hospital
Likely British participation in the US-led air campaign against Isis in Syria will make little difference unless it is directed against Isis when it is attacking the Syrian Army and is co-ordinated with its ground forces. These tactics worked effectively when the US collaborated with the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia to win battles at Kobani and Hassakah, but the US is so far opposed to doing anything that will be seen as helping the Assad government. A price for such aid might be an insistence that the Syrian air force stop barrel bombing civilian areas.
Surprisingly, even the fall of Mosul in Iraq to Isis in the summer of 2014 and the seizure of more than half of Syria by Isis over the past year, has not prevented US and European leaders underestimating Isis. They have claimed that it is past its peak, wishful thinking that should have been deflated in May when Isis took Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province in Iraq, and Palmyra in Syria five days later. So far neither the Syrian nor the Iraqi armies have launched counter-attacks capable of retaking either city.
The Assad government will not necessarily collapse overnight, but any sign that it is weakening will convince millions of Syrians that it is time to leave the country. Despite the deepening refugee crisis brought about by the continuing civil war in Syria, governments in Britain, the US, France and elsewhere are doing little to help end it. Half the Syrian people have already been displaced from their homes and millions more may soon be desperately trying to flee their country. The Syrian war and European refugee crisis are part and parcel of the same thing
Islamic State (Isis) forces in Syria are threatening to capture a crucial road, the loss of which could touch off a panic and the exodus of several million refugees from government areas, in addition to the four million who have already fled. Isis fighters have advanced recently to within 22 miles of the M5 highway, the only major route connecting government-held territory in Damascus to the north and west of the country.
The beginnings of the latest crisis for the government of President Bashar al-Assad came with the capture by Isis on 6 August of the strategically placed, largely Christian town of al-Qaryatain, north-east of Damascus. Since then, Islamist units have advanced further west, capturing two villages closer to the M5. The Syrian Army has so far failed to retake Qaryatain, where Isis has demolished the St Elian monastery, parts of which were 1,500 years old.
The four million Syrians who are already refugees mostly came from opposition or contested areas that have been systematically bombarded by government aircraft and artillery, making them uninhabitable. But the majority of the 17 million Syrians still in the country live in government-controlled areas now threatened by Isis. These people are terrified of Isis occupying their cities, towns and villages because of its reputation for mass executions, ritual mutilation and rape against those not obedient to its extreme variant of Sunni Islam.
Half the Syrian population has already been displaced inside or outside the country, so accurate figures are hard to estimate, but among those particularly at risk are the Alawites (2.6 million), the Shia heterodox sect that has provided the ruling elite of Syria since the 1960s, the Christians (two million), the Syrian Kurds (2.2 million), and Druze (650,000) in addition to millions of Sunni Arabs associated with the Syrian government and its army. The forced flight of these communities could swiftly double the total number of refugees to eight million.
Government forces are showing signs of being fought out after four years of war and have recently suffered a series of defeats at the hands of Isis, which captured Palmyra in May, and by a coalition led by the al-Qaeda affiliate, Jabhat al-Nusra, which took Idlib city in March. But it would be a far more serious defeat for President Assad if Isis cuts the M5, which is seen as “the spinal column of the regime”. The government has never lost control of it for an extended period, though the road has been closed to civilian traffic by snipers hiding in the ruins of north Damascus, where whole districts have been blown up or bulldozed by the government. On two occasions, Nusra fighters seized the ancient Christian village of Maaloula, just off the M5, forcing inhabitants to escape to Damascus.
Governments and people in the EU have had to pay horrified attention to the plight of refugees in the past few days because of pictures of the drowned body of Aylan al-Kurdi. But there is scant attention to the deteriorating security situation in Syria that could produce millions more migrants fleeing for their lives.
The UNHCR says that Syria has “become the world’s top source country of refugees, overtaking Afghanistan, which had held this position for more than three decades”. Out of every four new refugees in the world today, one will be a Syrian. Commenting on this exodus, and the likelihood that it will be exacerbated if Isis cuts the M5 highway, the online humanitarian news and analysis publication, IRIN, says that “Europe’s current migration crisis is essentially the arrival of the Syrian crisis on European shores.”
Unfortunately, European concern about ending the refugee crisis has not energised efforts to end the war in Syria which shows every sign of getting worse. Assad’s forces are getting weaker and he admits to a shortage of troops, but territory lost by him is usually occupied by Isis, Jabhat al-Nusra or Ahrar al-Sham, all Salafi-jihadi movements with the same violent and intolerant ideology.
Even former advocates of the “moderate” Syrian rebels, say that today the armed opposition is dominated by extreme fundamentalists. Their dominance makes it impossible to create any power-sharing government in Damascus that would be key to ending the war.
The Damascus government and its army are unlikely to implode as happened in Libya or northern Iraq, but people in government areas are understandably frightened by recent military reverses. Many argue that they and their families should get out while they can. Living in government areas does not always mean that they are in favour of Assad remaining in power, but they fear that the alternative to the present regime will be far worse. Isis deliberately foments terror by showing videos of its atrocities to create panic among soldiers and civilians, and there is also the knowledge that the Syrian Army will bombard any place from which it retreats.
David Cameron said last week: “We think that the most important thing is to try to bring peace and stability to that part of the world.” But in practice, Britain, the US, Gulf monarchies and Turkey have exacerbated the Syrian conflict by supporting an armed opposition that from an early stage was led by extreme jihadis. As early as August 2012 a Defense Intelligence Agency report states that “the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI [Al- Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”
Read more: Donald Trump stumped when asked to name leader of Isis
British mother who 'fled to Syria to join Isis' charged
Life as a woman under Isis
Isis militants crucify headless corpses and burn down hospital
Likely British participation in the US-led air campaign against Isis in Syria will make little difference unless it is directed against Isis when it is attacking the Syrian Army and is co-ordinated with its ground forces. These tactics worked effectively when the US collaborated with the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia to win battles at Kobani and Hassakah, but the US is so far opposed to doing anything that will be seen as helping the Assad government. A price for such aid might be an insistence that the Syrian air force stop barrel bombing civilian areas.
Surprisingly, even the fall of Mosul in Iraq to Isis in the summer of 2014 and the seizure of more than half of Syria by Isis over the past year, has not prevented US and European leaders underestimating Isis. They have claimed that it is past its peak, wishful thinking that should have been deflated in May when Isis took Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province in Iraq, and Palmyra in Syria five days later. So far neither the Syrian nor the Iraqi armies have launched counter-attacks capable of retaking either city.
The Assad government will not necessarily collapse overnight, but any sign that it is weakening will convince millions of Syrians that it is time to leave the country. Despite the deepening refugee crisis brought about by the continuing civil war in Syria, governments in Britain, the US, France and elsewhere are doing little to help end it. Half the Syrian people have already been displaced from their homes and millions more may soon be desperately trying to flee their country. The Syrian war and European refugee crisis are part and parcel of the same thing
- Jan 18, 2009
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For once I think Cameron has played this game probably as well as he could, he has come under pressure from the media, and some commentators in the media following the publication of pictures of the dead kid, (the media tail wagging the electorate dog) however I suspect he knows that the national mood on immigration fundamentally has not changed.........it's probably hardened.
In contrast it is Mutta Merkel who is the outlier, and operating in a non cooperative way with fellow EU countries, an accusation that would so often be levelled at Cameron and/or the EU. This from the Guardian......
"The commission is charged with policing the regime governing Schengen, but Germany unilaterally waived the rules regulating how immigrants entering the EU are handled. It did not tell Brussels, nor neighbouring governments.
Berlin is winning plaudits everywhere for its exemplary generosity and its open-door policy towards Syrians fleeing war, but Syrians can only get to Germany through other EU countries who were not told about the policy flip-flop. That contributed to the wretched scenes in Hungary and Austria.
Uniquely in Europe, Angela Merkel has seized the moral high ground on Syrian refugees. But this is the same leader who, a few years ago, declared that “multikulti has absolutely failed”. She is known to be acutely risk-averse, with a close eye on the polls which have shown her ratings slip over recent weeks."
I would take a look at the comments too, if they are representative of the Guardian's readership then little wonder Cameron is playing this game they way he is..........
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...europe-leaders-blame-brussels-hungary-germany
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ident-assad-in-syrian-civil-war-10488165.html
The Russian President Vladimir Putin has given his biggest admission yet on the extent of Moscow's involvement in the Syrian civil war – saying "serious" training and equipment are being provided to the Syrian army by Russia.
He also did not rule out the possibility of direct military involvement in the region, instead calling rumours of Russian troops on the ground "premature".
The rumours have been fanned by videos released by Syrian state television appearing to show troops shouting in Russian and a Russian armoured vehicle.
Putin's support for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is also well-known. The Russian premier has used his UN veto to block action against the regime, despite it being accused of using chemical weapons on civilians by Syrian doctors and investigated by international organisations.
Assad's regime has also killed more civilians than its terrorist opponents Isis in a civil war which has seen 250,000 people die, reported the Daily Telegraph.
As such, much of the international community aside from Russia has said that Assad has no place in Syria's future.
Yet Putin has positioned himself as a fighter "against terrorism", having supplied arms to the Syrian regime for some time but now claiming this is to combat dangerous opponents to it.
"[...] We are already giving Syria quite serious help with equipment and training soldiers, with our weapons," the state-owned RIA Novosti news agency quoted Mr Putin as saying at an economic forum in Vladivostok.
"We really want to create some kind of an international coalition to fight terrorism and extremism.
"To this end, we hold consultations with our American partners - I have personally spoken on the issue with US President Obama," the news agency reported him as saying.
As recently as May this year, however, President Obama said at the Camp David summit that if evidence of chemical weapons use such as chlorine was confirmed by the US, Russia would be under pressure.
The Guardian reported Mr Obama as saying the US would then "reach out to patrons of Assad like Russia to put a stop to it."
The possibility of Russian military involvement is being downplayed by Moscow, however. An Israeli newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, said Russia could be about to deploy "thousands" of troops to Syria to set up an airbase to launch air attacks against Isis, according to the Daily Telegraph.
But Russian analysts said the Yedioth report was inaccurate, saying Moscow did not want to repeat the US' mistakes in Iraq and was currently busy dealing with Ukraine.
pastafarian
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Booming economy, leading the EU, World Cup winners, trains running on time, yup.....she's lost it
The bloke is right.....she has lost it.
Im sure the families of the recent surge of people drowning in the med or suffocating in deathtrap lorries because Merkel said wherever you are make your way to Germany will take consolation in the fact German trains run on time and they won the world cup......should i add a lol or was yours sufficient?
- Jan 18, 2009
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Booming economy, leading the EU, World Cup winners, trains running on time, yup.....she's lost it
Booming you say..........
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...n-factories-suffer-shock-export-collapse.html
You know what they say comes before a fall don't you?
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Who would have thought it -NATO helping Assad, albeit indirectly, if they really take on ISIS in Syria and coordinate air attacks with the Syrian Army on the ground. But they might be able to extract some sort of compromise by Assad as the price, which may make life more tolerable for the Syrians. Perhaps a crumb of comfort, but there is seemingly very little reason for optimism, sadly.
It is of course disappointing when the manufacturing sector takes a dip. But, thank heavens they have a well balanced economy as, from your very article "Germany's booming services industry and manufacturers who roared ahead of the rest of Europe in August."
PS yes, I did say booming. But don't just take my word for it . Take the Telegraph's. You can even use your link to see how they describe it
Booming economy, leading the EU, World Cup winners, trains running on time, yup.....she's lost it
Yep well done, as you have pointed out repeatedly the UK in your eyes is being run by the wrong government, is wrong on the latest policies re immigration and you have it better in Germany. If things go wrong hopefully a return to the UK will not be your get out clause.
I stated that we will have to wait a couple of months to see the mood of the people here and in Germany. I agree that for now Cameron has not done a bad job. Some forget that the title was about the mass immigration figures of 330,000 that came into this country....figures that Cameron was being ridiculed and lambasted for , by the press and media, just a few weeks ago.
pastafarian
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You cant reply cunning before me thats not fair
What about Merkel the Butcher of Europe?......you still think her plan to say sod the borders and all Syrians if they can traverse the hazards will be rewarded with asylum is a good plan?
I'd be more than happy to help them board a train or plane back to be re settled in their HOME land got your spare room ready yet
regards
DR
Unfortunately for Gregbrighton much as he is encouraging others to home Syrian refugees, he can not as he lives in a studio flat.
I was speaking with a racist-lite colleague, yesterday.
He was ticking all the boxes - 'them' 'coming over here', 'free money', 'easy life'.
I let it go for a bit then started talking about the previous evening news from the underground shopping centre now refugee camp.
Thousands of people, appalling conditions, 7 toilets, 1 tap, all the children.
He joined in, we spoke about how bad their situations must have been to leave.
Then I steered the conversation to just how lucky we are, and we were in complete agreement.
He finished with:-
'then they will all come over here and you'll not hear anyone speaking English'
but couldn't help a 
He was ticking all the boxes - 'them' 'coming over here', 'free money', 'easy life'.
I let it go for a bit then started talking about the previous evening news from the underground shopping centre now refugee camp.
Thousands of people, appalling conditions, 7 toilets, 1 tap, all the children.
He joined in, we spoke about how bad their situations must have been to leave.
Then I steered the conversation to just how lucky we are, and we were in complete agreement.
He finished with:-
'then they will all come over here and you'll not hear anyone speaking English'
but couldn't help a
pastafarian
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i wonder what the mood of the Germans will be when asylum applications are processed and all the non Syrians who have been refused refugee status are still in the country taking money off the welfare state.Merkel wants us to share this application process where over 50% are refused asylum.........no thanks
