Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
No idea. I've read so much on this, and none of it makes sense. I don't think we get an extra spot though.
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[Football] UEFA coefficients and Europe 2025/26
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pigmanovich
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Not carried over if that’s what you mean
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We really need Chelsea to finish 6 or lower, as if they win the Conference an extra place is available for League positions.
Which is why First losing yesterday to Brentford was doubly annoying
Yes I think so. The know-alls on Talksport are saying if its a ManU/Spurs EL final then we will have 10 teams in Europe next season, assuming Chelsea win the ECL. Palace sadly have a say whether its the top 8 or top 9.
Albion 4ever
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I believe that Chelsea would need to finish 7th or lower for the extra place to be awarded to another team.
The top 5 qualify for the Champions League
6th place is an automatic entry to the Europa League.
Chelsea need to finish outside of those positions for the place to be passed on.
That is my understanding anyway!
The top 5 qualify for the Champions League
6th place is an automatic entry to the Europa League.
Chelsea need to finish outside of those positions for the place to be passed on.
That is my understanding anyway!
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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And it is correct.
If Chelsea qualify for Conference league from league position, then an additional place is awarded to the Premier League as the spot is available.
If they qualify for Europa or UCL, then their place for winning UCL is vacant and will be taken by the next best from that competition, NOT the Premier League.
Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
From The Athletic. I read it free of charge so guess it's not behind a paywall.
Now, if Chelsea were to finish eighth then the normal Conference League place comes back into play, meaning the sixth and seventh would be Europa League qualifiers, Chelsea would get into the UEL as Conference League winners and ninth place in the Premier League would be a path into the Conference League (so 10 teams overall). But Enzo Maresca’s side are nine points ahead of eighth with four games remaining, so this all feels very unlikely — even if Chelsea do have a tough run of fixtures to end the season.
Reading the full article, if Chelsea finish top 5 they get an automatic spot in the UCL and 6th & 7th go into the UEL (as long as Palace don't win the FA Cup) with 8th in the Conference.
If Chelsea finish 7th then 6th & 8th go into the UEL with no team in the Conference.
What happens if Chelsea finish 6th?
Hang on, shouldn’t we get three Europa League spots if Chelsea win the Conference League?
Well, we would if Chelsea win the trophy and finish too low in the Premier League table to qualify for Europe by that method, but that is looking increasingly unlikely. If Chelsea were to come seventh and win the Conference League then they would enter next season’s Europa League as holders of the former competition and the two ‘standard’ Europa League places (assuming Manchester City win the FA Cup) would be applied to the teams finishing sixth and eighth, with the Premier League giving up its usual Conference League place.Now, if Chelsea were to finish eighth then the normal Conference League place comes back into play, meaning the sixth and seventh would be Europa League qualifiers, Chelsea would get into the UEL as Conference League winners and ninth place in the Premier League would be a path into the Conference League (so 10 teams overall). But Enzo Maresca’s side are nine points ahead of eighth with four games remaining, so this all feels very unlikely — even if Chelsea do have a tough run of fixtures to end the season.
So you’re saying the battle for eighth is the new battle for fifth?
Very much so, unless Palace spoil everyone’s fun by winning the FA Cup a week before the Premier League ends. But if not, then essentially Fulham (51 points), Brighton (51), Bournemouth (50) and Brentford (49) are fighting it out to finish eighth and qualify for Europe.Reading the full article, if Chelsea finish top 5 they get an automatic spot in the UCL and 6th & 7th go into the UEL (as long as Palace don't win the FA Cup) with 8th in the Conference.
If Chelsea finish 7th then 6th & 8th go into the UEL with no team in the Conference.
What happens if Chelsea finish 6th?
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My brain hurts.
Gabbiano
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No, if Chelsea finish 6th or 7th (assuming Palace lose the Cup), then they are UEL and 8th gets Conference.
If Palace win the Cup then they take one of the two UEL spots, Conference spot moves up to 7th.
There is only a bonus spot available if Chelsea win the Conference and finish below the Europa qualification spots in the PL (not going to happen).
What it boils down to - we have to finish 8th and become City fans for the Cup final.
Nice to see we're not the only ones thinking that way.....
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Dale Johnson from ESPN is the man the football statisticians turn to when it comes to accurate permutations. Probably repeats some of the above but there is some duff information about so thought I'd post it anyway. His full article - regularly updated - is here:
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...-league-teams-qualify-champions-league-europe
My interpretation is this. Disregard Arsenal finishing 5th or lower. Too complicated and unlikely. Let's assume our target is 8th for now.
If Chelsea win the Conference League, we need them to finish lower than 5th, below City and Newcastle AND City to win the FA Cup. If that happens:
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 6th ... then 8th = Conference League.
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 7th ... then 8th = Europa League.
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 8th ... then 9th = Conference League.
If Chelsea hilariously DON'T win the Conference League, we need City and Newcastle to finish in the top SEVEN and City to win the FA Cup for 8th to be a Conference League spot.
I think. I stand to be corrected but won't bother working it out again
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/sto...-league-teams-qualify-champions-league-europe
My interpretation is this. Disregard Arsenal finishing 5th or lower. Too complicated and unlikely. Let's assume our target is 8th for now.
If Chelsea win the Conference League, we need them to finish lower than 5th, below City and Newcastle AND City to win the FA Cup. If that happens:
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 6th ... then 8th = Conference League.
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 7th ... then 8th = Europa League.
- If UECL winners Chelsea finish 8th ... then 9th = Conference League.
If Chelsea hilariously DON'T win the Conference League, we need City and Newcastle to finish in the top SEVEN and City to win the FA Cup for 8th to be a Conference League spot.
I think. I stand to be corrected but won't bother working it out again
Washie
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Need Villa and Forest to knock Chelsea out of 5th.
Not according to Lineker on MOTD last night.
The Chelsea scenario would simply upgrade 8th to Europa League instead of Conference Lge.
England would be without representatives in the Conference
That's because it's changed since I wrote that post. Chelsea can no longer finish as low as 8th. MOTD said "If Chelsea finish outside the top 6" when it would have been better to say "if Chelsea finish 7th".
When Dale Johnson did those previous permutations they could still finish 8th as they were only 9 points ahead of Fulham with 12 points to play for. The scenario then:
"So, the Conference League winners finish in eighth place -- one below the Conference League spot. Chelsea play in the Europa League as Conference League winners, and the Premier League has eight teams in Europe.
Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, 6, UCoL winners (8)
Conference League: 7
Now the EPS is applied with fifth in the UCL, and as this creates the plus-1 in all scenarios there are now nine teams in Europe. The European places drop down one, but as Chelsea already have a place in the Europa League, the Conference League spot "jumps" over them and goes to ninth.
Champions League: 1-5
Europa League: 6, 7, UCoL winners (8)
Conference League: 9"