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[Politics] Trump makes the main board but Johnson doesn't.
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Mr Bridger
Sound of the suburbs
- Jul 10, 2003
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During the Covid epidemic Britain has suffered more than 65,000 Excess deaths.
I believe that this is an appalling result, especially considering that we had significant notice from Italy, Spain and France of what was coming and the issues it could cause, together with the fact that we are an Island with complete control over our borders.
I believe this was primarily caused by a lack of focused leadership, with the Government following decisions, on the whole, made by other organisations in the UK (Sporting events, lockdown, testing, quarantine, facemasks) rather than taking a lead and bringing in these measures in a timely and urgent fashion themselves.
It was then exacerbated by further individual issues which I don't believe were handled well (PPE supply, movement of untested patients into care homes, delay in care home testing, publishing of figures for hospitals only, Pure number of tests taking priority over turnaround of tests, Cummings trip, Complete failure of track and trace app).
Now I am sure there are posters on here who do not share my view, so maybe they would like to post with the reasons that they believe the excess deaths to be reasonable or good for a country in the UK's situation.
If we can manage to discuss this without insults etc, maybe we can start to discuss other things which effect the majority of posters here
(If it starts going bear pit, I'll report it to the mods myself)
I believe that this is an appalling result, especially considering that we had significant notice from Italy, Spain and France of what was coming and the issues it could cause, together with the fact that we are an Island with complete control over our borders.
I believe this was primarily caused by a lack of focused leadership, with the Government following decisions, on the whole, made by other organisations in the UK (Sporting events, lockdown, testing, quarantine, facemasks) rather than taking a lead and bringing in these measures in a timely and urgent fashion themselves.
It was then exacerbated by further individual issues which I don't believe were handled well (PPE supply, movement of untested patients into care homes, delay in care home testing, publishing of figures for hospitals only, Pure number of tests taking priority over turnaround of tests, Cummings trip, Complete failure of track and trace app).
Now I am sure there are posters on here who do not share my view, so maybe they would like to post with the reasons that they believe the excess deaths to be reasonable or good for a country in the UK's situation.
If we can manage to discuss this without insults etc, maybe we can start to discuss other things which effect the majority of posters here
(If it starts going bear pit, I'll report it to the mods myself)
Forget the bear pit; I thought the MO was that the only CV-19 stuff supposed to be on the BB is ‘good news’ stories, with the rest being in the CV-19 sub-forum.
‘65k excess deaths’ is a bit of a stretch to call ‘good news’, imo ofc.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I didn't start this as a Covid related thread, (if it lasts, we can move onto other issues) but one that people could have a mature discussion about the British Government, how it is performing and it's effect on NSC posters in general, like we used to able to do. (And why I didn't put it on the good news thread).
(I know - optimistic to say the least
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Klaas
I've changed this
- Nov 1, 2017
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If the exact same thread (Trump) was started today and the posts were the same as they are now, it would be Bear pit bound in under 3 pages. I had a look at it a while ago, it was wild. And some pretty unpleasant stuff, particularly the Sandy Hook conspiracy crap. Think Looney was still knocking about. Trump's toxicity today tests even his dumbest nsc supporters.
Machiavelli
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vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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Can I summarise? We elected someone utterly unable to lead in a time of global/national crisis. Johnson will spend much of the next 4 years trying to blame anyone but himself for the disastrous series of failings that made us " World Beating " for all the wrong reasons.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Let's try and keep away from one liners (we all know where that ends up).
If you have an opinion, please give it together with a reasonably detailed explanation of the reasons why (so no, you can't summarise
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If you have an opinion, please give it together with a reasonably detailed explanation of the reasons why (so no, you can't summarise
).
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nicko31
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Johnson will try and kick any enquiry into the long grass but when it happens there will be nowhere to hide, the facts are well documented now. Johnson has been the wrong man at the wrong time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDYflcq1ls&t=3s
- Jul 10, 2003
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I'd quite like someone who disagrees with my statement on the excess deaths to get a chance to put together a list of reasons why I am mistaken, but that is not going to happen with the type of posts which are currently being made.
A mature, reasoned discussion on the subject maybe
A mature, reasoned discussion on the subject maybe
I'd quite like someone who disagrees with my statement on the excess deaths to get a chance to put together a list of reasons why I am mistaken, but that is not going to happen with the type of posts which are currently being made.
A mature, reasoned discussion on the subject maybe
But you’re not mistaken, you’re just fishing [emoji6] You’re lonely in the Bear Pit and want to put yourself on the main stage, it’s all about you after all, right [emoji6]
Perhaps the thread title doesn't lend itself to people who wish to discuss Covid-19 deaths ?I'd quite like someone who disagrees with my statement on the excess deaths to get a chance to put together a list of reasons why I am mistaken, but that is not going to happen with the type of posts which are currently being made.
A mature, reasoned discussion on the subject maybe
Maybe post the question in the Covid-19 forum ?
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It's because the thread isn't about Covid, It's about the effect of Government decisions on the country. We still have the Economy, Brexit and corruption to go
But the thread title suggests that this thread is just going to be a boo-hoo-I-don't-like-the-bear-pit whinge.
Get the mods to change the thread title ?
