Norman Baker suck my lozenge
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well done, Godwin'd in second post.
Wahaaaay
well done, Godwin'd in second post.
About time I am seriously thinking of resigning from my Union given the recent mandate they have passed internally where higher earners pay more than lower earners in subs.
And whats wrong with that? I'm on a relatively high pay scale and subsequently pay the highest rate of subs for my union membership, at £22.50 a month, which is about 0.5% of my gross annual salary. Somebody on a much lower salary than me may pay only £5.30 per month, but as a percentage of salary this equates to 0.7% so they still pay more than me in real terms. I'm all in favour of the more you earn the more you pay as long as the higher earners don't pay significantly higher in percentage terms .... after all isn't that one of the socialist principles that trade unions were founded on? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
And whats wrong with that? I'm on a relatively high pay scale and subsequently pay the highest rate of subs for my union membership, at £22.50 a month, which is about 0.5% of my gross annual salary. Somebody on a much lower salary than me may pay only £5.30 per month, but as a percentage of salary this equates to 0.7% so they still pay more than me in real terms. I'm all in favour of the more you earn the more you pay as long as the higher earners don't pay significantly higher in percentage terms .... after all isn't that one of the socialist principles that trade unions were founded on? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
Then the constituency goes to the least unpopular candidate; if only one person votes, and the rest of the voters think all candidates are equally sh1t, then the candidate with one vote (a lot less than 1% of the electorate) gets in.If no candidate for MP gets 40% then how is the constituency meant to be represented in Parliament ?
I'll tell you WTF is wrong with that it is the fact the Union Exec Committee decided as opposed to a vote on it which is far fairer.
No it doesn't, I couldn't be described as left wing, let alone hard left and I think that scabs are examples of some of the lowest forms of life.Scab is a very seventies word and says everything about the hard left
No it doesn't, I couldn't be described as left wing, let alone hard left and I think that scabs are examples of some of the lowest forms of life.
Incidentally, if the Tories are so concerned about lack of accountability or democracy over the trade unions' political donations to the Labour Party, lets also have a legal requirement that companies must ballot their employees before donating money to the Conservative Party.
Let's have a level playing field - or do the Tories believe in one rule for the trade unions and workers, and another rule (do what you want) for employers and big business; yes, I know this is a rhetorical question!
So someone who wants to work or may have no option due to finances or may not even agree with what the strike is about is on a level with paedophiles, rapists, terrorists etc. Nice one!
We have many bosses and bankers paying themselves millions while millions of 'hard-working people' are paid poverty wages, some of the longest working hours and weakest employment protection laws in Europe, few workers' rights, chronic job insecurity, an expansion of zero-hours contracts, and unprecedented levels of stress in the workplace as employees are constantly pressured or bullied to do more and more each year or hit more targets, and yet on Planet Tory, it is the trade unions which are the problem.
Incidentally, if the Tories are so concerned about lack of accountability or democracy over the trade unions' political donations to the Labour Party, lets also have a legal requirement that companies must ballot their employees before donating money to the Conservative Party.
Let's have a level playing field - or do the Tories believe in one rule for the trade unions and workers, and another rule (do what you want) for employers and big business; yes, I know this is a rhetorical question!
And whats wrong with that? I'm on a relatively high pay scale and subsequently pay the highest rate of subs for my union membership, at £22.50 a month, which is about 0.5% of my gross annual salary. Somebody on a much lower salary than me may pay only £5.30 per month, but as a percentage of salary this equates to 0.7% so they still pay more than me in real terms. I'm all in favour of the more you earn the more you pay as long as the higher earners don't pay significantly higher in percentage terms .... after all isn't that one of the socialist principles that trade unions were founded on? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
I actually agree with Mr Mizen although I will not go as far in my description of them. I hear what you're saying, and understand it, but I prefer people to stick together for the greater good.
Westdene point is for most MP,s 'get in' in or around 32/38 % vote in their favour. Now how in the dam well ask for Unions to get 40% ?
So someone who isn't in a union and doesn't believe in the particular cause being debated should miss out on work and should sacrifice their own income for the 'greater good'?
It's very much a one-way street in Leftie-land isn't it?
1) Respect our right to withdraw labour please.
2) Please note we do not respect your right to continue working to provide for your family.
I'll tell you WTF is wrong with that it is the fact the Union Exec Committee decided as opposed to a vote on it which is far fairer.
So someone who isn't in a union and doesn't believe in the particular cause being debated should miss out on work and should sacrifice their own income for the 'greater good'?
It's very much a one-way street in Leftie-land isn't it?
1) Respect our right to withdraw labour please.
2) Please note we do not respect your right to continue working to provide for your family.
ironically, its only because of uniform rule that there isnt legislation to limit donations to political parties. Labour would certainly be far worse off is there was a limit. and why on earth should employees be consulted on donations from the company, they dont own it. you understand this?
I presumed Gary1 was talking about union members. I don't care too much about non-union members working. But if you sign up to a union it's wrong to strike break.