Thunder Bolt
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John Redwood won't be happy.
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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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TomandJerry
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Labour has taken command of Crawley in West Sussex. The council was previously under no overall control.
The authority was one of our top electoral battlegrounds to watch - with neither the Conservatives or Labour having a majority due to a single independent councillor.
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The authority was one of our top electoral battlegrounds to watch - with neither the Conservatives or Labour having a majority due to a single independent councillor.
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Brian Fantana
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Given the usual mid-term kicking that incumbent parties usually get, coupled with the absolute cluster**** that has been the government, I think Labour will probably be fairly disappointed with their performance. Results in the north and midlands would suggest that the Brexit issue is still coming into force at the ballot box. In my own area (Hartlepool pretty much), the Tories have gained councillors and are closer to the overall control of the council. Chatting to a few people in the pub last night, the issue of partygate etc hasn't really resonated up here. I appreciate this is wholly anecdotal, but from my discussions with friends and work colleagues up here, Starmer is less liked than Johnson.
In my ward Labour took the seat from the Tories with nearly double the votes. That's not a defeat for the Tories, it's an almighty kicking.
May 6th 2022. The day Worthing turned red!
vegster
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Me too, any Labour candidate would be certain of third place or worse. Let's hope they can try and repair the decades of Tory rule on the threadbare cash they get from the government
Bearing in mind this was against the 2018 results which were good for Labour, I'm not sure this is right really. To date they have taken twice the number of seats as the Tories. That's actually quite impressive really.
I find the straw-clutching from the Tories and their apologists, really funny.
"Yes we may have lost a shitload of votes, but lots of them went to the LD rather than Labour so that's actually okay. Sort of."
I'd suggest quite the contrary. That a disaffected Tory voter lending their vote to Labour as a protest / kneejerk reaction, will ultimately hold their nose and dutifully vote for the proverbial pig-with-a-blue-rosette, when the GE comes round, through media-influenced paranoia of a COMMUNIST government.
The cuddly LibDems just don't hold that same fear factor. Votes lost to them (and the Greens) could be lost long term.
"Yes we may have lost a shitload of votes, but lots of them went to the LD rather than Labour so that's actually okay. Sort of."
I'd suggest quite the contrary. That a disaffected Tory voter lending their vote to Labour as a protest / kneejerk reaction, will ultimately hold their nose and dutifully vote for the proverbial pig-with-a-blue-rosette, when the GE comes round, through media-influenced paranoia of a COMMUNIST government.
The cuddly LibDems just don't hold that same fear factor. Votes lost to them (and the Greens) could be lost long term.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
In my ward Labour took the seat from the Tories with nearly double the votes. That's not a defeat for the Tories, it's an almighty kicking.
May 6th 2022. The day Worthing turned red!
It's a couple of pages back now, but the Rottingdean by-election was remarkable too.
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You'd be a bit late - the Labour meltdown started back in 2010 when they chose the wrong brother to be their leader, subsequently replaced him with unelectable Corbyn, proceeded to have an ugly civil war and then lost the general electon by a massive margin to the frightful Boris Johnson.
Maybe, just maybe they are on the upturn again.
But Boris says that the Tories have made some remarkable gains in places that have never voted Conservative.
I'm not sure where he means....
It's fascinating to see what's happening to UK politics - former safe Tory seats in the South now becoming Labour, while swathes of former "working class" areas in the Midlands and North now firmly Tory. I'm baffled!
stewart12
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Labour have gained seats and control of councils in places that not even that long ago would have been unthinkable (eg Worthing)
I don't think they'll be disappointed at all
In our Ward The Greens have won for the first time ever, spanking the tory twunt into the river with 2/3 of the vote, an impressive 55% turnout too.
stewart12
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it's very much changing isn't it. I do think that the divide isn't as clear cut as class. Our major cities have some of the most deprived areas in the country with large working class populations but are almost exclusively voting Labour, whereas smaller, (historically) working class towns with ageing populations have voted blue- and towns that surround cities (historically hardcore conservative) are seeing a move towards labour/lib dems and greens as young people begin to move from the city to the neighbouring towns due to cost
appears to me that the bigger divide in this country is by age than anything else
Under this scenario, Boris would be bricking it if Rayner then took leadership. From what I've seen, she rattles him more than Starmer does.
Do you think there was any possible set of results from which he didn't draw that 'message'?
Lib Dems have taken control of Somerset from the Tories (not all seats announced yet, but LibDems in an unassailable lead).
Thunder Bolt
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I've done a search for Tory gains and the only one (up to now) is in Amber Valley (East Derbyshire) They gained two seats (so not exactly a Labour or LibDem stronghold)
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Brian Fantana
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Rayner is also caught up in the same investigation, I think.
The tide has been shifting for a little while now. Shamelessly copying and pasting a post I made on the last General Election thread...
I really don't believe any vote is wasted now.
Here in Findon we come under East Worthing and Shoreham for some reason. You'd have always said that is Tory through and through. However, here's how the Labour share of the vote has changed over recent elections:
2010: 16.7%
2015: 19.5%
2017: 39.3%
If people thought "a vote for Labour is wasted" in those previous elections, and put their X somewhere else, then we wouldn't have the position we have today where Labour could have a real chance (if they had a leader of any merit anyway).
Here in Findon we come under East Worthing and Shoreham for some reason. You'd have always said that is Tory through and through. However, here's how the Labour share of the vote has changed over recent elections:
2010: 16.7%
2015: 19.5%
2017: 39.3%
If people thought "a vote for Labour is wasted" in those previous elections, and put their X somewhere else, then we wouldn't have the position we have today where Labour could have a real chance (if they had a leader of any merit anyway).
Link: https://www.northstandchat.com/show...ction-Thread&p=9120045&viewfull=1#post9120045