[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[TomandJerry]

Labour’s Jess Phillips has said: “I stand here to say that I want everybody in here to know that they are about to vote for a Bill they have absolutely no idea how much it’s going to cost.”

 

[TomandJerry]

The Commons has divided to vote on a motion to approve the Safety of Rwanda Bill.

Results expected at 9.30

 

[nicko31]

Labour’s Jess Phillips has said: “I stand here to say that I want everybody in here to know that they are about to vote for a Bill they have absolutely no idea how much it’s going to cost.”

Imagine if the Tories spent as much time sorting out social care as they did on his unworkable piece of shit

 

[TomandJerry]

Rwanda bill is approved

The vote: 320 MPs backing it to 276. A majority of 44.

 

[TomandJerry]

Under the government's proposals, some asylum seekers arriving in the UK would be sent to Rwanda to have their claims to protection processed during a five-year trial.

They would be able to apply for asylum in Rwanda. If successful, they would be granted refugee status there.

If not, they could apply to settle in Rwanda on other grounds, or seek asylum in another "safe third country".

But they would not be able to return to the UK. In effect, they would have been issued a one-way ticket.

"Anyone entering the UK illegally" after 1 January 2022 could be sent to the African country, with no limit on numbers, the government has said.

 

[TomandJerry]

Rishi Sunak is about to hold a press conference after his Rwanda bill got Commons approval last night.

The bill, which proposes to send some asylum seekers to the east African country to claim asylum, will now move to the House of Lords.

The news conference is expected to start at 10:15 GMT

 

[TomandJerry]

A leading Lord has said many in the House believe the integrity of the UK's legal system is "under attack" because of internal quarrelling in the Conservative Party.

Lord Carlile of Berriew told the Today programme that, while peers would not "thwart the government", the House of Lords has a responsibility to "protect the public" from abuses of legal principle.

 

[nicko31]

A leading Lord has said many in the House believe the integrity of the UK's legal system is "under attack" because of internal quarrelling in the Conservative Party.

Lord Carlile of Berriew told the Today programme that, while peers would not "thwart the government", the House of Lords has a responsibility to "protect the public" from abuses of legal principle.

Sunak really is betting the house of this, its like its the only challenge facing UK Citizens

"Enemies of the People" the sequel coming soon...

 

[Hotchilidog]

After 13 years in power this is all they have got. An inhumane, in-effective, mean-minded, expensive bit of anti-virtue signalling to whip up hatred of other to distract from their complete and utter failure as government.

Just utterly wretched, a scum government.

 

[TomandJerry]

Sunak really is betting the house of this, its like its the only challenge facing UK Citizens

"Enemies of the People" the sequel coming soon...

 

[TomandJerry]

(Question from journalist) Your legal advice says ignoring a ECHR injunction will be illegal. So will you seek new legal advice?

Sunak says he will not let a foreign court (such as the European court of human rights) stop flights taking off. There are circumstances in which he would ignore a rule-39 order, he says.

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

 

[jimhigham]

Utter balls!

Rwanda wasn’t on the ballot paper when the last General Election was fought and we’ve a Prime Minister nobody voted for. They might be constitutionally able to pull this stunt in a parliamentary democracy but there’s no basis at all for asserting it’s the ”will of the people“.

 

[beorhthelm]

(Question from journalist) Your legal advice says ignoring a ECHR injunction will be illegal. So will you seek new legal advice?

Sunak says he will not let a foreign court (such as the European court of human rights) stop flights taking off. There are circumstances in which he would ignore a rule-39 order, he says.

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

the essence of this is the UK court (or minister?) can intervene on an interim measure. the basis, as thin as it is, seems to be the ECHR never set any such provision, it's never been passed through any statute. because UK deems Rwanda safe* any interim measure for sending someone there is not considered valid. not agreeing with any of it, just highlighting detail of the fag paper thin argumentm,which is quite fascinating in how its been contrived.

*safe here refers to something called refoulement, not general meaning of safe.

 

[ROSM]

But he says “there will always be individual circumstances where people rightly would expect us to examine the facts”.

i would hope we examine the facts in all decisions we make

 

[TomandJerry]

 

[TomandJerry]

Rishi Sunak and the Home Office have been reprimanded by the UK’s statistics watchdog over a misleading claim about the asylum claims backlog being cleared.

On 2 January the Home Office announced it had cleared the “legacy” backlog of asylum claims (defined as those submitted before June 2022, when the Nationality and Borders Act came into force). This was criticised as misleading because, as the Home Office admitted, 4,500 particularly complex cases had not been cleared. But Sunak went further later in the day when he posted a message on X implying the whole of the backlog had been cleared. Labour said that was a “barefaced lie”.

 

[rippleman]

The fact that over 6K Rwandans fled in 2022 to seek asylum in other countries with over 40 applying in the UK might suggest that Rwanda is not a particularly "safe" country.

I'm sure the Supreme Court will take that into account when they slap slippery Sunak back in his (very small) box.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It seems to me that 'will of the people' will be enacted by the House of Lords and British Judiciary by stopping a completely spineless, directionless, powerless, unelected PM from being shoved from pillar to post by a few swivel-eyed loons

If he really wants to enact 'the will of the people' he should call election today.

And what is all this Bollocks about the ECHR ?

It was the British Supreme Court who ruled this illegal and ruled Rwanda was unsafe. You know, that British court that we wanted to take back control

 

[TomandJerry]

What is all this Bollocks about the ECHR ?

It was the British Supreme Court who ruled this illegal and ruled Rwanda wa unsafe. You know, that British court that we wanted to take back control

Boris Johnson’s plan to send an inaugural flight of asylum seekers to Rwanda has been abandoned after a dramatic 11th-hour ruling by the European court of human rights.

Up to seven people who had come to the UK seeking refuge had been expected to be removed to the east African country an hour and a half before the flight was due to take off.


But a ruling by the ECHR on one of the seven cases allowed lawyers for the other six to make successful last-minute applications.

The decision is a significant and embarrassing blow for Boris Johnson and his home secretary, Priti Patel, who had promised to start sending thousands of asylum seekers 4,000 miles to the east African country in May.

It comes hours after the prime minister threatened to take the UK out of the ECHR and accused lawyers of aiding criminals exploiting refugees in the Channel.

 

[A1X]

If I was a deeply unpopular Prime Minister leading a deeply unpopular Government on course for electoral wipeout this year, who had never been made PM at the behest of the public and was trying to push through a policy the public are at best indifferent to and at worst appalled by, I’d be reluctant to claim “the will of the people” about anything.

But that’s just me.