Tories 28 points up in the polls

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

...... I find it frightening that Labour could have a meltdown similar to the Canadian Tories of a few years back. It would mean the end of the Union and a very undemocratic country. Cameron could have 100 rebels and still juggernaut through whatever he bloody well-liked.

OK a labour meltdown would probably give the SNP the opportunity to bring forward their promised vote to leave the UK but surely such a vote has been inevitable for the past 25-30 years, it's just been a matter of when.
Personally, I see it as democracy working and certainly not a frightening development.

 

[Billy Mays]

Hey you want to be depressed about politics try a straight up choice between John McCain (well Sarah Palin really - let's be honest) and Barack Obama! Don't think not having a vote in this one will trouble me greatly.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

I got back from Boston on Tuesday - from what I saw in the four days I was in US, Sarah Palin should concern everyone.

 

[Brovion]

Ok, fine, all go and vote Tory then. I'm sure Cameron will be able to immediately solve the world banking crisis, persuade OPEC and Russia to halve the cost of oil and gas (and then get the fuel companies to pass the savings on) and bring down the global cost of food.

That Brown is so useless.

 

[Buzzer]

OK a labour meltdown would probably give the SNP the opportunity to bring forward their promised vote to leave the UK but surely such a vote has been inevitable for the past 25-30 years, it's just been a matter of when.
Personally, I see it as democracy working and certainly not a frightening development.

Cessation isn't the frightening development. It's what's left that is. Go to Electoral calculus, type in some indicative figures and just see the blue that covers England and Wales. The tories would be in power forever.

As much as that appeals to me, is that a good prospect for the UK?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Reckon Labour should call an election right now. See how the Tories deal with a looming recession brought about a collapse in the US financial markets. They'd be lucky to last a full term.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Cessation isn't the frightening development. It's what's left that is. Go to Electoral calculus, type in some indicative figures and just see the blue that covers England and Wales. The tories would be in power forever.

As much as that appeals to me, is that a good prospect for the UK?

NO! Blair and Brown have destroyed the Labour Party but Cameron is going to be just as bad. British Politics is now at its lowest ebb since 1978.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Sadly for us all,the Tories will win the next election.I think too many people have forgotten the bad old days,and that many on this board were too young to know about them,

And it's not just the uncharismatic Brown wot's done it,but foreign excursions which have little or no advantage to our country,just flags at half mast in towns nationwide as services are held for the fallen.

Like in my village.

The Tories have no truly discernable policies,just the usual ya boo suks and we'll do better.

They won't,and we'll be saddled with them for quite a while.

But that's democracy in action,isn't it?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Sadly for us all,the Tories will win the next election.I think too many people have forgotten the bad old days,and that many on this board were too young to know about them,

And it's not just the uncharismatic Brown wot's done it,but foreign excursions which have little or no advantage to our country,just flags at half mast in towns nationwide as services are held for the fallen.

Like in my village.

The Tories have no truly discernable policies,just the usual ya boo suks and we'll do better.

They won't,and we'll be saddled with them for quite a while.

But that's democracy in action,isn't it?

" the bad old days "

What the hell is it now then ?.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Cessation isn't the frightening development. It's what's left that is. Go to Electoral calculus, type in some indicative figures and just see the blue that covers England and Wales. The tories would be in power forever.

As much as that appeals to me, is that a good prospect for the UK?

No need to look the outcome up anywhere, it's obvious, as it was in the 1980's when the planning was done.
What puzzles me is on the one hand you're saying that a single political party being the long term government in a "rump" UK appeals to you but that is somehow a frightening development - how come?
As for the UK's prospects, there won't be a UK as we know it today. Irish reunification is surely birth rate dependent and therefore just a matter of time, leaving England and Wales to ponder. Some interesting times ahead I think.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Reckon Labour should call an election right now. See how the Tories deal with a looming recession brought about a collapse in the US financial markets. They'd be lucky to last a full term.

Tom you cannot pin all this on the Yanks. Brown as Chancellor spunked away billions of pounds riding the World Global growth. He sold our Gold reserves at rock bottom. He frittered away billions on creating a workplace of form filing, burearocracy, regulation, pr consultants and administrators. He created an expanding economy based on easy credit and paper gains in property. His " I am running a prudent ship " was completele and utter bollocks and lies.

Now the game is up he hasn't got a fecking clue what to do. He is a Rabbit caught in the headlights. Bush for all his bad points has shown great leadership and large bollocks in making bold and radical decisions to drag the US economy out of the mire. Brown has burried his head and hoped things would get better by themselves. I hate with a passion this Labour government. I hate Brown. He is the worst PM and they are the worst political party this country has ever had to endure. It will take Cameron a long time to clear up the mess. Anyone thinking they will call an election in 2009 are mad. They will drag it out until the last possible opportunity.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

And the looming recession is well and truly here and biting hard it has just no trickled into the figures but will do at the next 1/4 figures with a massive shock. This economy is far worse than the early/mid 90's.

 

[Buzzer]

No need to look the outcome up anywhere, it's obvious, as it was in the 1980's when the planning was done.
What puzzles me is on the one hand you're saying that a single political party being the long term government in a "rump" UK appeals to you but that is somehow a frightening development - how come?
As for the UK's prospects, there won't be a UK as we know it today. Irish reunification is surely birth rate dependent and therefore just a matter of time, leaving England and Wales to ponder. Some interesting times ahead I think.

It appeals to me because I'm a Tory and don't want socialist/left-wing policies imposed on me. However, as I said, we need a healthy opposition for a healthy democracy. I may hate Labour but I don't want unbridled Tory power. I'm trying to look at the bigger picture.

Simple really. Unless there is a credible alternative then the rot sets in, the sharks and crooks worm their way into the top jobs, nepotism, unchecked law-making and God forbid if the Tories ever elect as their leader someone like IDS.

Crap analogy I know, but Celtic and Rangers fans know that their league is crapper and less exciting because there is NEVER a credible challenge to the status quo. Another crap analogy would be like playing Football Manager or the Sims with all the cheats on. Sure, it would be fun at first but it then gets too easy, too boring.

 

[Winker]

Frank Field would make an excellent PM as he has all the right answers and all the right policies. But the fact he was sacked for having those policies tells us all we need to know about the Labour party.

Cameron is just another Blair Babe, an empty headed bimbo. It' a shame William Hague has already had his go as Tory leader as he would get my vote now.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

And the looming recession is well and truly here and biting hard it has just no trickled into the figures but will do at the next 1/4 figures with a massive shock. This economy is far worse than the early/mid 90's.

Thanks for that - what a great way to start the day

To add to the debate, Brown's biggest mistake was not calling an election when he had the chance at the back end of last year. David Cameron wasn't ready, but managed to bluff Brown with some eye catching policy ideas and a good paoker face. If Brown had called one then he would possibly have lost (only possibly) and if the Tories had won they would be the party enduring the recession. Cameron would be under pressure to stand down, and once the dust clears Labour would have a chance to get back in.

Now, anything's possible.

 

[Buzzer]

Frank Field would make an excellent PM as he has all the right answers and all the right policies. But the fact he was sacked for having those policies tells us all we need to know about the Labour party.

Cameron is just another Blair Babe, an empty headed bimbo. It' a shame William Hague has already had his go as Tory leader as he would get my vote now.

Agree on how excellent Frank Field is. The man who was given the task of thinking the unthinkable on pensions. He did, he delivered it as requested and then Brown made sure he was sacked. A mark of how honourable Field is, is the story of the 10p tax fiasco. Field and Brown don't like each other but Field read the plans for the 10p tax removal and quizzed Brown both publicly and privately about whether anyone would be worse off. This was way before the story blew. Frank had done his sums. He was giving Brown time and space to come up with a strategy to rescue the situation. Brown apparently gave Field the hairdryer treatment and point blank refused to acknowledge that anyone would suffer.

I really don't buy this guff about Brown being a decent man. I think he's too insular and wrapped up in his own vision of his destiny to see that there are other views that might be valid.

I agree with Papa Lazarou on his analysis too

 

[Uter]

As someone who can remember all too well the last Tory government and the seemingly endless succession of scandals, cut-backs, under-investment etc I can't say I'm looking forward to them being in power again.

Personally I just want to see someone in power who is prepared to invest in transport. I was confident labour would, but they haven't delivered enough in this area for me. Mrs Thatcher wanted to rip up the railways and replace them with roads for fecks sake. How progressive!

 

[larus]

Why oh why do people still assume that a the Tories under Cameron are going to be the same as the Tories under Thatcher?
Were the Tories under Major the same as under Thatcher?
Were the Tories under Heath the same as under Thatcher?
Were Labour under Blair the same as under Callaghan?
Were Labour under Blair the same as under Foot?
Are labour under Brown the same as under Blair?

No. If you think that because someone happens be a 'right-wing'/free-market (and therefore, probably a Tory) that they are intrinsicly bad, then you are so stupid it's unbelievable. All that it is, is a different view on the best way to generate wealth for the economy.

Just because there were a few bad people under the last Tory government, doesn't mean that Tories are corrupt. What about these Labour politicians and their 'expenses'?

I think Labour are going to get salughtered whenever they call the next election, and like Buzzer, I think this is bad for democracy. absolute power in no good, whichever party is in office.

This financial mess has been exacerbated by Browns mismanagement of the economy. I fail to see how anyone can possibly say that Brown has been a prudent chancellor.

 

[TSB]

Biggest lead since records begam

Tories 52%
Labour 24%
lib wankers 12%

Wipe out.....wheres that website that projects this into seats....labour is finished

That leaves a worrying 12% for the fascists to tap into...