Tony Blair will Not be investigated over Iraq war

[symyjym]

I disagree. Saddam defied Blix for ten years. he refused to allow proper weapons inspection. Blix wanted to shrug his shoulders, try again later, and collect his salary. There was no need for there to actually be WMD for the invasion. The mistakes made were 1. thinking that in general the invasion was a good idea (that was motivated by the American desire to get the oil and the contract to rebuild), 2. Tony thinking it would make it all even better if there actually were WMD, and bringing his 'belief' into the proceedings.

The rest is history. I will never vote again for any politician who professes to have religious belief, or trades in the concept of belief. Belief is self delusion. Harness that with charisma and the ability to emote then you have a successful politician who will become leader, but whose decision making will be peripatetic.

The thing is France, US, Russia and China facilitated the sale of WMD to Saddam. He didn't make it himself and there is also a best before date to use them.

As far as weapons goes he barely even had any scud missiles, and the last thing he wanted to do was admit weakness to his neighbours.

Saddam was weak at the time and it would have been easier to dictate to him in a productive way. He would have done anything we wanted him to do.

Blix was as certain as what he could be that Saddam did not have WMD. How can you ignore an experienced UN weapons inspector? Blair also ignored the will of the world and the UN which meant we undermined the UN. Why should any other country abide by the UN if we stick our middle finger up at them ourselves?

It's all double standards and we are quick to shout "brutal dictator" at other leaders around the world yet Blair and Bush killed hundreds of thousands, and millions indirectly from the knock on effect.

The Sunni's were so pissed off at losing power in Iraq that we tried to compensate our Sunni partner, Saudi, with Libya and Syria. Cameron is slightly less of a tit than Blair but his foreign policy has continued the devastation in the region.

We expect other world leaders to be accountable and even killed for their actions, yet we let off our leaders scott free.

Muslims see a double standard. We can do what the fk we like, we ignore the UN, kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people including children, and we pretend we haven't done anything wrong.

What Blair did was at the very least a Crime against peace and humanity. If we don't pay our Council Tax we can go to prison, but Blair can get away with his crime.

 

[Boy Blue]

Yes. 179+ British deaths. 500,000+ Iraqi deaths. That was just in the early days.

That's staggering all because Blair lied about weapons of mass destruction. I'd be arrested for dropping litter and this dictator walks around like nothing has happened. Bloody disgrace.

 

[knocky1]

That's staggering all because Blair lied about weapons of mass destruction. I'd be arrested for dropping litter and this dictator walks around like nothing has happened. Bloody disgrace.

Woody Guthrie's son, Arlo, wrote an 18 minute song of war call up and dropping garbage in the 60's. Almost linked to thread. More a story than a song.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

You would think that Blair would be keeping a low profile in the aftermath of Brexit and immediately pre Chilcott but no, he is back in the media , advocating a 'chilldown ' period for a majority of the British public to decide they have made a mistake.
This is a man who callously and calculatingly encouraged a tenfold increase per annum in immigration to suit his own agenda and paid no heed to the social consequences. Now he is advising those that have suffered as a result of his decisions to have a rethink. The man is so arrogant, that he thinks he is untouchable. Sadly,the Establishment will protect him and he knows it.

 

[symyjym]

You would think that Blair would be keeping a low profile in the aftermath of Brexit and immediately pre Chilcott but no, he is back in the media , advocating a 'chilldown ' period for a majority of the British public to decide they have made a mistake.
This is a man who callously and calculatingly encouraged a tenfold increase per annum in immigration to suit his own agenda and paid no heed to the social consequences. Now he is advising those that have suffered as a result of his decisions to have a rethink. The man is so arrogant, that he thinks he is untouchable. Sadly,the Establishment will protect him and he knows it.

That is the moral injustice that Islam sees and it has fed the extremism we see today. If any other leader in the world did what he and Bush did, we would either drone strike them, take them to the Hague, or let their enemies hang them.

Islam is a very complicated and is barbaric at its 7th century Sunni Wahhabism core. It is an instruction book on war, conquest and politics wrapped up with religious superstition. Everything that ISIS are doing, Muhammad did himself. Muslims will say that Christianity has a bad history too but we cannot separate Muhammad the brutal warrior from Islam, the way we can separate Jesus from Christianity.

Muhammad is the Muslim role model and all of his sayings, habits and documented events are recorded in the Hadith’s. The Quran only accounts for 14% of Islam.

There was justification to go to Afghanistan but the war in Iraq it made us look worse than Bin Laden and we certainly caused more devastation and death than he did on 9/11.

Going to Iraq was always wrong, everyone know that Saddam wasn't a threat. Blix was clear, as was David Kelly, Robin Cook and Clare Short, and I trusted their judgment at this time. Not to mention why there was so much of a rush tostart on a new front when we hadn't even got Afghanistan sorted. It doesn't make any rational sense to have two wars at the same time It doesn't require a high IQ to understand this basic principle..

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

It was never one man.He was informed by the security services and the armed forces and actively supported by a significant majority in parliament and the man in the street.
I think sometimes we need to consider the line between prosecution and persecution

Such is the way of life. No matter how many people contributed to a failure, the figurehead usually takes the fall. The accusation is that Blair DELIBERATELY misled parliament. It doesn't matter whether it was actively supported or not. If people support an idea on the basis of a lie, it is still based on a lie.

 

[severnside gull]

Such is the way of life. No matter how many people contributed to a failure, the figurehead usually takes the fall. The accusation is that Blair DELIBERATELY misled parliament. It doesn't matter whether it was actively supported or not. If people support an idea on the basis of a lie, it is still based on a lie.

But they (or at least the cabinet and shadow cabinet who had access) backed it based on physical reportage from the security services which, notwithstanding the scepticism of many, they chose to believe. The strongest case is that they all elected to mislead themselves rather than that Blair mislead them per se. The revisionists forget too easily the large scale public support for boots on the ground at the time.

 

[pastafarian]

Tony Blair .....Untrustworthy dickhead........yes absolutely
war criminal.......lets see the report