Toads Hole Valley

[Uncle Buck]

King George V Avenue?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Where would the Train go? thats the main argument about Sustainable Transport links. You'd need to build an additional Line & Station nearby. I'm pretty sure its in the FA rules of new stadiums need to be within a certain radius of a nearby acceptable station, Reading got away with it because of the Buses they promised (even though that was complete shit after the game this season)

As far as I know, there's no FA rule about railway stations (that would be the equivalent of saying that a team from a place like Irthlingborough could NEVER play league football). Government planning guidance requires a practical sustainable transport plan for major developments - to reduce dependence on the private car. Buses, walking and cycling are acceptable components in such a plan.

At the first Public Inquiry, there was an attempt by one of the objectors to claim that THV was within reasonable walking distance of Preston Park Station. And don't forget that even the Inspector thought that Sheepcote Valley was close enough to Brighton Station for some football supporters to consider walking. The fact that both these claims are complete cock will no doubt take up some of the time at the resumed Inquiry.

 

[The Large One]

The problems with the buses to THV are exactly the same problems as with Sheepcote Valley.

The nearest stations are either Hove or Preston Park (don't forget - a station at Waterhall is a non-starter). You would still have to use about 60-odd buses. Think of the routes to get from Preston Park Station or Hove Station to get to THV. Nightmare. It would clog up the residential areas of Hove in the same way Brighton and Kemp Town would be clogged up if were moved to Sheepcote.

 

[Marc]

As far as I know, there's no FA rule about railway stations (that would be the equivalent of saying that a team from a place like Irthlingborough could NEVER play league football). Government planning guidance requires a practical sustainable transport plan for major developments - to reduce dependence on the private car. Buses, walking and cycling are acceptable components in such a plan.

At the first Public Inquiry, there was an attempt by one of the objectors to claim that THV was within reasonable walking distance of Preston Park Station. And don't forget that even the Inspector thought that Sheepcote Valley was close enough to Brighton Station for some football supporters to consider walking. The fact that both these claims are complete cock will no doubt take up some of the time at the resumed Inquiry.

aahh my bad, must've read wrong somewhere about the FA requirement (probably NSC! )

So the only thing really holding THV back is the AONB & Owners then? 'cos we could always do a Reading and use Buses to/from Brighton/Hove Stations

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Many football grounds have relatively poor access, yet it doesn't stop the crowds flocking...

Wake up!

It's not about whether people can get to the game. It's about whether people getting to the game create traffic congestion (and all the other environmental damage) that causes problems for the rest of the community.

 

[ditchy]

Just realised that I've posted a similar sort of thread and its discussed on here. Why does a ground need to be near any existing transport links? Many football grounds have relatively poor access, yet it doesn't stop the crowds flocking...

Yeah that always peeves me .. looking at some of the so called new grounds which are not near railways

 

[Lord Bracknell]

we could always do a Reading and use Buses to/from Brighton/Hove Stations

What buses?

Falmer would work because 3,000 people would travel to games by train.

Without a station (eg at Sheepcote or THV), those 3,000 people would need to travel by bus. 3,000 people need 40 buses to allow them to make their journeys.

There aren't 40 buses (and 40 bus drivers) sitting around in Brighton, waiting for something to do on a Saturday afternoon (but with no other work available at any other time). The only way you could find those 40 buses would be by withdrawing them from other bus routes in Brighton - resulting in City Centre shoppers deciding that it was no longer possible to get to Churchill Square by bus, so best they drive - leading to the whole of central Brighton being clogged by traffic (to say nothing of parking spaces running out).

And don't forget that park & ride is another element in the stadium travel plan. P&R works when bus departures are frequent enough to make it attractive. If you increase the distance between the parking site and the stadium, you need more buses to maintain the high frequency shuttle service that is necessary to make the P&R work.

 

[Uncle Buck]

What buses?

Falmer would work because 3,000 people would travel to games by train.

Without a station (eg at Sheepcote or THV), those 3,000 people would need to travel by bus. 3,000 people need 40 buses to allow them to make their journeys.

There aren't 40 buses (and 40 bus drivers) sitting around in Brighton, waiting for something to do on a Saturday afternoon (but with no other work available at any other time). The only way you could find those 40 buses would be by withdrawing them from other bus routes in Brighton - resulting in City Centre shoppers deciding that it was no longer possible to get to Churchill Square by bus, so best they drive - leading to the whole of central Brighton being clogged by traffic (to say nothing of parking spaces running out).

And don't forget that park & ride is another element in the stadium travel plan. P&R works when bus departures are frequent enough to make it attractive. If you increase the distance between the parking site and the stadium, you need more vehicles to maintain the high frequency shuttle service that is necessary to make the P&R work.

Agreed, however could we not use the companies that provide those crappy ones that Southern use when there are engineering works?

 

[Caveman]

I watched Valencia a couple of years back and it was something else, people arrive and park their cars on the side of the road, then someone else we come along and double park, until in the end all the roads and streets are blocked. Even the pavements.

Could you imagine the uproar in this country?

 

[Marc]

So that takes us back to point 1, no sustainable transport links which is an argument we should win. Good enough for me to rule out THV but will the Inspector buy it? Or will he fall blindly for the NIMBYS like that collyer (was it him?) bloke?

 

[Brighton till i die]

falmer it is then!

end of!

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Agreed, however could we not use the companies that provide those crappy ones that Southern use when there are engineering works?

Have you any idea how much those companies charge for the use of their buses?

And I can't see it being acceptable to Prescott if we had a football stadium in Brighton that meant that no railway engineering works could EVER be programmed for ANYWHERE IN SOUTH EAST ENGLAND on a Saturday when the Albion were playing at home.

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Do Toads live in holes?

Sometimes. Us Urban Toads mostly live in bins.

 

[Storer68]

Agreed, however could we not use the companies that provide those crappy ones that Southern use when there are engineering works?

And they usually come from some scrapheap in Kent and the drivers have no idea of where they're going!

 

[Wilts]

Without a station (eg at Sheepcote or THV), those 3,000 people would need to travel by bus. 3,000 people need 40 buses to allow them to make their journeys.

I don't see a great problem here. At the Reading vs Ipswich game last week the crowd was 23,303. There are 2,000 parking spaces at the ground, and another 1,500 nearby. So even if there were 4 to a car on average (likely to be around 3 I imagine), then how do the other 10,000 get there!? Nobody upon nobody walks to the games (probably max 200), so its buses for all from the central station.

Can Falmer be used as a Park and Ride for Brighton on weekdays for workers? Hence removing congestion from the city centre for the good of all on every day of the week!... Why not take the ideas of other football clubs and copy the successes while overlooking the failures?

 

[Ex Shelton Seagull]

Is anyone proposing THV at the enquiry. LDC are going for Sheepcote Valley, Falmer Parish are going for pie-in-the-sky schemes in Shoreham, is any organisation going to put forward Toads. Collyer rejected it in his report as an alternative didn't he?

 

[Easy 10]

THV is one of the sites that Prescott has said "prove that its inferior to Falmer", so thats the hoop we'll have to jump through. Even the NIMBYS know its a non-starter, so they won't be concntrating their efforts on it.

 

[Marc]

THV is one of the sites that Prescott has said "prove that its inferior to Falmer", so thats the hoop we'll have to jump through. Even the NIMBYS know its a non-starter, so they won't be concntrating their efforts on it.

yeah but they are with the Cement Works which is also a non-starter useless bunch of

 

[Easy 10]

yeah but they are with the Cement Works which is also a non-starter useless bunch of

Well thats another story - they'll go off on all sorts of mad tangents no doubt. I can't WAIT to hear their hair-brained arguments for their alternatives to Falmer.

 

[The Wookiee]

THV is nowhere near a train station

I reckon a brisk walk from Hove Station to Hove Park then all the way along Goldstone Crescent to Toads Hole Valley aint realy that far.

There are plenty of grounds around today that the walk to the station is further!

I used to walk from the Nevill pub to the Goldstone at nearly every home game, not a lot of difference in it.