This whole anniversary of Lennon's murder

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Bluejuice

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Sep 2, 2004
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I'll be honest with you, it's making me feel sick.

I remember when I was very young and I asked my mother why anyone would want to kill John Lennon. She cried and told me that his murderer (she wouldn't use his name) had done it to get himself in the papers and be remembered.

To this day I have purposefully tried my very best to block out anything to do with this sick man. I only learned his name a few years back when I could no longer keep up the deliberate ignorance.

So all the fuss being made over the 25th anniversary of the shooting not only saddens me but it also angers me. There is no doubting the significance this event has had on the world, but the constant references to that man just infuriate me, presumably stemming back to that original conversation with my mum as a child.

The sad thing is, 25 years on and everyone is talking about him, and I don't want to remember him, I want to remember Lennon, his life and the effect he had on others.

I've never been one for celebrity and aside from John Peel last year I can't say I've ever felt any particular grief over the passing of a person in the public eye. The thought of John Lennon's death however, still makes me feel deeply emotional to this day and I wonder if we'll ever see a man have such an affect on so many people on so many levels across so many cultural divides and generations again. I think the death of Nelson Mandela will likely be the closest the world will ever come to such a loss again, as far as I can tell.
 




Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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John Lennon's death was a shocking loss to the music industry and also the nature of how it happened was very frightning. I still remember hearing it on the radio.

To this day I have never understood why this person mudered him and am certain the world was truly robbed of a truly musical genious.

RIP John - I wish you had lived longer as we would have all enjoyed more of your talent.
 


magoo

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the guy murdered him because he wanted to be famous. and now he's got his own hour long documentary :thumbsup: who says crime doesn't pay?
 
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Sorrel

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It would of course be much better if there were some other notable day that John Lennon could be remembered on. But that's the nature of violence: it always makes the biggest impact, and becomes the focus of any remembrance.

The saddest thing about it all is that John Lennon is frozen in the 1970s. I suspect his views on the 80s, 90s and modern events would mean his hippie days were long forgotten (what would he have said about September the 11th?). But we'll never know.
 






zefarelly

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I think its all a load of overblown bollocks

there are hundreds of equally influential musicians and artistes who don't get the ridiculous amount of shameless publicity or for that matter even the respect they deserve.

I'm convinced that if John Lennon was still alive he'd be considered an ecccentric odd ball by now anyway.
 


Man of Harveys

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Jul 9, 2003
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A very good point well put - this sad anniversary is all about John Lennon, not Mark Chapman, and how f***ing crap it is that he's not around anymore because of some waste of breath who wanted to be famous. I think it's shite that Channel 4 are focusing on this interview with him, I won't be going anywhere near watching it. Watching the Anthology or Hard Day's Night is a much better way to commemorate it.
 
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tedebear

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In my opinion Lennon wasn't a musical genius - he was a musician who was what the world was craving at the time, I think he'd have petered out musically especially with Yoko's influence...

His life should be remembered for the massive contribution to peace and happiness, not the idiot who killed him or the day he died...
 




Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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Having watched the documentary last night the overbiding feeling I have is what a little turd Mark Chapman is. A sad little man with no life who lived in a fantasy world.

He professed to want to kill Lennon but didn't have the balls to take his first opportunity when Lennon signed an autograph for him. Later he shot him in the back at night. What a kunt.

I disagree with people who marginalise Lennon's contribution to music. I think if he were still alive he would be THE biggest voice in the music industry.
 


Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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Yet another excuse for some more media-driven emotional incontinence to be displayed I suppose. Specially as he was a scouser, coming from the official lets-all-cry-and-lay-wreaths-for-the-cameras capital of the world.
 


Man of Harveys

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Pavilionaire said:
Having watched the documentary last night the overbiding feeling I have is what a little turd Mark Chapman is. A sad little man with no life who lived in a fantasy world.

He professed to want to kill Lennon but didn't have the balls to take his first opportunity when Lennon signed an autograph for him. Later he shot him in the back at night. What a kunt.

I disagree with people who marginalise Lennon's contribution to music. I think if he were still alive he would be THE biggest voice in the music industry.

Erm, slightly weird though this is for me to say, I think that's a sodding brilliant post.
 






Pavilionaire

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I'm not a big Beatles fan and don't own any of their albums, or Lennon's solo work, but it is clear to me he was in a different league to practically any musician you care to name in terms of charisma and intelligence.

The fact that he was great made him a target, and is the reason why he is dead and the likes of Robbie Williams are still alive...
 


Easy 10

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Pavilionaire said:
The fact that he was great made him a target, and is the reason why he is dead and the likes of Robbie Williams are still alive...
So Robbie Williams is only still alive because he's a bit shit ?
Interesting way you have of looking at things, Pav



:lolol:
 
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zefarelly

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Pavilionaire said:
I'm not a big Beatles fan and don't own any of their albums, or Lennon's solo work, but it is clear to me he was in a different league to practically any musician you care to name in terms of charisma and intelligence.

The fact that he was great made him a target, and is the reason why he is dead and the likes of Robbie Williams are still alive...

what utter tosh

as an example Hendrix was a far superior musician and songwriter.

I think Lennon just happened to be mildly eccentric/amusing and English, and rose to fame at a time when the country was about as dull and conservative as is possible therefore standing out in a crowd.

I don't think staying in bed with his girlfreind in a 5 star International hotel for a few days was exactly revolutionary and did absolutely f*** all by way of helping world peace . . . . he didn't exactly help stop the Vietnam war for example did it ???

Wings produced far better music in the 70's than Lennon did as well, most of his solo output was very mediocre
 


Hampden Park

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Oct 7, 2003
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zefarelly said:
what utter tosh

as an example Hendrix was a far superior musician and songwriter.

I think Lennon just happened to be mildly eccentric/amusing and English, and rose to fame at a time when the country was about as dull and conservative as is possible therefore standing out in a crowd.

I don't think staying in bed with his girlfreind in a 5 star International hotel for a few days was exactly revolutionary and did absolutely f*** all by way of helping world peace . . . . he didn't exactly help stop the Vietnam war for example did it ???

Wings produced far better music in the 70's than Lennon did as well, most of his solo output was very mediocre

bravo :clap: :clap: :clap:

IMHO Lennon was an over-rated 'save the shrimp' that produced crappy music.
 




Ex Shelton Seagull

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Who are Wings?

Only the band the Beatles COULD have been.
 






Stumpy Tim

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Lennon would be as famous as Paul McCartney - 2 songwriters in the biggest band in the world ever. McCartney is as irrelevant in the modern music scene as John Cleese is in the comedy scene. And let's face it. He was a bit of a cock towards the end.

Tragic waste of life, but it seems to me that Britain is falling towards Liverpool's example of weeping over even the foetus of dead chicken.
 


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