[News] This is getting ridiculous....

[NooBHA]

Precisely, beggars belief that people are jumping on their human rights soap box just because they won't be able to buy some extra clothes for a few weeks!!!

Exactly. Just rinse yer underwear under a hot tap once a week and that's all you need.

 

[Weststander]

My local Waitrose have starting a queueing system again not even in lockdown ffs. Another gripe once your in the shop morons are all over you can’t wait a few seconds for others to leave a section, humanity has well and truly left the building.

With face masks on, can we now be in the close proximity of other shoppers at times?

Some customers labour over their choice of canned soups or margarine for an age, in a trance, unaware of waiting others.

 

[drew]

Like everything at this stage, it’s all guesswork. There’s no evidence yet that a two week circuit breaker will give two winter months of relative normality in Wales with low epidemic metrics and a fully opened up, vibrant economy.

We’ll soon find out.

Think a few members of SAGE might object to your assertion it's just guesswork. Bearing mind the incubation period, two weeks is probably enough. Had Johnson got his arse into gear they could have done a UK one over half term with an additional week. Could be 4wks, 6wks or two months. Until it's done, we'll never know. What we do know at the moment is that second wave is well and truly here.

 

[drew]

Clearly, as per the government nobody thinks before putting these rules in place. Surely, this is meant for people like the 2 women in tescos yesterday loading the 1 trolley up with 4 x 18 rolls of loo roll...

They might not have got them through the checkout though as Tesco restrict the amount of toilet roll you can buy.

 

[Wardy's twin]

BBC News - Wales lockdown: Supermarkets told to sell only essential items
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54648194

Since when were things like clothes not essential ?

have you not been to that beach near the marina?

 

[Weststander]

Think a few members of SAGE might object to your assertion it's just guesswork. Bearing mind the incubation period, two weeks is probably enough. Had Johnson got his arse into gear they could have done a UK one over half term with an additional week. Could be 4wks, 6wks or two months. Until it's done, we'll never know. What we do know at the moment is that second wave is well and truly here.

You initially mentioned 2 months.

If this gives a pattern of 2 weeks quasi-lockdown, then 2 months safe environment and thriving economy, I’ll be the first to applaud.

I’m not a critic of SAGE or its members, but this is the first deadly pandemic to hit these shores for 102 years, everyone including scientists are learning on the job. There are widely differing views, with non-SAGE scientists often disagreeing.

An example is the party politicised bitching in the UK about whether a second lockdown or circuit breaker should be UK wide. Some opponents of the government say yes. But you look at France, Sweden, Spain, Italy and Germany just now and CV19 restrictions quite deliberately vary a great deal between internal states or regions. I’m not saying which approach is correct, you or don’t know, even the true scientists can’t agree.

 

[beorhthelm]

Think a few members of SAGE might object to your assertion it's just guesswork. Bearing mind the incubation period, two weeks is probably enough. Had Johnson got his arse into gear they could have done a UK one over half term with an additional week. Could be 4wks, 6wks or two months. Until it's done, we'll never know. What we do know at the moment is that second wave is well and truly here.

and there's why its a bad idea. its open ended, 2 wks becomes 3, 4 etc. see Scotland. we did a restrictive lockdown remember, for a couple of months including schools shut. anything less will have less effect.

 

[Frankie]

I live in the lowest infection rate per person in wales Ceredigion, and our local hospital is now full of patients it can handle specifically for covid 19 patients , the unit has 6 yes 6 beds so basically if anyone else falls ill enough for hospital in our area then I suppose they will have to be taken elsewhere.

We simply do not have the facilities to cope with a large outbreak here and it's a very popular tourist attraction that struggles to cope with the extra amount of bodies at the best of times and there are many places in wales in the same boat hence Drakeford basically shutting Wales down for 2 weeks , it makes more sense than the ridiculous 3 tier system causing so much confusion and anger in england .

Cases have risen 5 fold in 4 weeks since the students came back to the Universitiy here and it didn't take a scientific advisor to predict that outcome just common sense , sadly theres not a lot of that about .

Wales I think will be a barometer for Boris in a month or so time to see exactly what a difference if any , these circuit breakers achieve.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Put it back a few weeks, and then what happens? It's still there.

Plus it’s pure guesswork

 

[LamieRobertson]

You initially mentioned 2 months.

If this gives a pattern of 2 weeks quasi-lockdown, then 2 months safe environment and thriving economy, I’ll be the first to applaud.

I’m not a critic of SAGE or its members, but this is the first deadly pandemic to hit these shores for 102 years, everyone including scientists are learning on the job. There are widely differing views, with non-SAGE scientists often disagreeing.

An example is the party politicised bitching in the UK about whether a second lockdown or circuit breaker should be UK wide. Some opponents of the government say yes. But you look at France, Sweden, Spain, Italy and Germany just now and CV19 restrictions quite deliberately vary a great deal between internal states or regions. I’m not saying which approach is correct, you or don’t know, even the true scientists can’t agree.

Also totally ignores the collateral damage of ..lockdowncircuitbreakerfirebreak

 

[Weststander]

Also totally ignores the collateral damage of ..lockdowncircuitbreakerfirebreak

In about 4 weeks time Wales will have vastly improved CV19 stats, that’s what closing everything and stopping people moving around does. As you intimate, at a (not all economic) cost.

It’s what happens after that.

It might work? Perhaps having a lower population density and just a handful of large urban areas will work in their favour?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Supermarkets should be straight onto the Welsh Gov asking for compensation.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Be grateful you don't live in Melbourne.

 

[Music City Gull]

Be grateful you don't live in Melbourne.

What’s happening in Melbourne?

 

[Music City Gull]

Circuit breaker for two weeks, back to business for the next couple of months and then another two week circuit breaker and so until we get the vaccine. If I was a businessman then I'd rather a two week proper lockdown if I know after that I can open again.

Figures are going up, look at how the number of critical/serious patients there and how that has risen. What's the alternative, go about our business and some around us die until we get the vaccine.

There are those that say we should 'shield' the vulnerable so everyone else can get on with their lives but by shield they actually mean lock them away. Is that really what people want to see? We could be locking them down for a very long time until a vaccine is available.

You bring an interesting perspective I haven’t really considered. I am not disagreeing with your overall point but I have issue with your last paragraph, admittedly it is only based on my experience with the people in my life who are vulnerable. The vulnerable people I know wouldn’t change their behavior based on a two week circuit breaker vs opening up to the non-vulnerable. They will be waiting for a vaccine regardless because the risk to them doesn’t really change (even if the risk of getting the virus does change). They have locked themselves down as much as possible and it’s only for their self interest, not because society had locked them away. They don’t want to risk being in the hospital regardless.

Just as an aside, I’ve said many times before my wife is an ICU resident working in the covid unit in Nashville. Tennessee has experienced a rise in Covid cases but her Covid census in the hospital still currently remains at one. While that certainly might change with lag time, it seems the current infections here have a lower hospitalization rate. I’m saying that just as an FYI update for our area and to also let you know I’m not arguing with you as I have her best interest and safety in my mind at all times.

 

[vegster]

With face masks on, can we now be in the close proximity of other shoppers at times?

Some customers labour over their choice of canned soups or margarine for an age, in a trance, unaware of waiting others.

During the first few weeks of the first lockdown, the "Eddie's Bar " of the local Morrisons usually provided some very good deals as the big joints of cooked meat on the deli counter got close to going out of date... it usually always came down to a large Ham or a Turkey joint being sliced in to about 20 packs of meat about in 6-8 Oz packs individually priced. I did 1-2 shops a week at Morrison's and liked to get in and out quickly to minimize my chances of picking up the infection. So one day I come around the corner and I see that "Eddies " is loaded up with about 30 brown paper packs of meat all nice and cheap but some bloke is already going through them all... so I walk off a bit and grab the stuff I need from nearby shelves and return 2 minutes later... he's still going through the packs...... So I go further out from the Eddie's and grab more items and return another 3-4 minutes later.... he's just got through looking at EVERY individual packet without making a choice so now....... he starts going backwards through them all again !!!!!!

I ended up waiting 10 ft away while he went backwards and forwards for another few minutes before finally he became aware of my presence and reluctantly selected a pack for his basket, I was so close to saying something like "FFS they are packets of cheap ham not a pack of ****ing cards, get a move on " ... when I gained access to Eddie's lo and behold, 29 packs of Belgian Beer Ham all within a 30p price range !!

How he spent SO long is absolutely baffling but I'm glad I'm never going to be the waiter that has to stand for an eternity while he selects from the menu

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Like everything at this stage, it’s all guesswork. There’s no evidence yet that a two week circuit breaker will give two winter months of relative normality in Wales with low epidemic metrics and a fully opened up, vibrant economy.

We’ll soon find out.

Presuming of course that everyone follows the rules Whether different parts of the country are more bolshie than others, that lot in the Valleys !

 

[Weststander]

During the first few weeks of the first lockdown, the "Eddie's Bar " of the local Morrisons usually provided some very good deals as the big joints of cooked meat on the deli counter got close to going out of date... it usually always came down to a large Ham or a Turkey joint being sliced in to about 20 packs of meat about in 6-8 Oz packs individually priced. I did 1-2 shops a week at Morrison's and liked to get in and out quickly to minimize my chances of picking up the infection. So one day I come around the corner and I see that "Eddies " is loaded up with about 30 brown paper packs of meat all nice and cheap but some bloke is already going through them all... so I walk off a bit and grab the stuff I need from nearby shelves and return 2 minutes later... he's still going through the packs...... So I go further out from the Eddie's and grab more items and return another 3-4 minutes later.... he's just got through looking at EVERY individual packet without making a choice so now....... he starts going backwards through them all again !!!!!!

I ended up waiting 10 ft away while he went backwards and forwards for another few minutes before finally he became aware of my presence and reluctantly selected a pack for his basket, I was so close to saying something like "FFS they are packets of cheap ham not a pack of ****ing cards, get a move on " ... when I gained access to Eddie's lo and behold, 29 packs of Belgian Beer Ham all within a 30p price range !!

How he spent SO long is absolutely baffling but I'm glad I'm never going to be the waiter that has to stand for an eternity while he selects from the menu

In similar but shorter episodes for me in Hove supermarkets, I tired of waiting and gently whizzed in to grab the item I wanted.

Saying something to them would be pointless, but I was always aware that ‘the snail‘ might want an exchange of words .... but it never happened.

 

[Justice]

I would avoid a trip to M&S if you reside in the south my good lady got sent home for two weeks along with many others to isolate. To many managers going from store to store spreading Covid like wildfire. Apparently they went through cctv footage to see who the covid positive went close to and on all accounts it was quite a few. She had a test yesterday so fingers crossed.

 

[mikeyjh]

Presuming of course that everyone follows the rules Whether different parts of the country are more bolshie than others, that lot in the Valleys !

I have the dubious pleasure of being in Swansea quite regularly at the moment, it's not hard to see why it's a high Covid area at the moment, many carrying on if nothing has changed. I particularly enjoyed a bloke in Jenkins buying bread - His face 'mask' was occasionally putting his hand over his mouth....

Oh, and you live near the Nantycaws, it makes me smile every time I saunter along the A48.