The Recent Stabbings

[Skaville]

Why is the colour irrelevent?

Colour is irrelevant because the article does not imply any racist motivation. There was a row in a pub, the wrong bloke got stabbed.

Scenario - I get involved in a row in a pub because someone spills my pint. I punch a bloke who just happened to be from South Norwood. He's Palace, I'm Brighton. Is that a football thing? No, it's irrelevant. The issue was somethng else entirely.

Anyone with even the most basic grasp on sociology knows why most of the perpetrators are black. Most of the victims are too. Sadly, I think that several of the posters in this thread only actually give a shit when the victim is white.

 

[Skaville]

That really fucks me off as well.Classic case in Crawley a few years back.How the f*** can 5 on 1 not be classed as a racist attack?

What has the number of people involved got to do with it. The motivation behind the attack is the issue.

 

[algie]

Colour is irrelevant because the article does not imply any racist motivation. There was a row in a pub, the wrong bloke got stabbed.

Scenario - I get involved in a row in a pub because someone spills my pint. I punch a bloke who just happened to be from South Norwood. He's Palace, I'm Brighton. Is that a football thing? No, it's irrelevant. The issue was somethng else entirely.

Anyone with even the most basic grasp on sociology knows why most of the perpetrators are black. Most of the victims are too. Sadly, I think that several of the posters in this thread only actually give a shit when the victim is white.

Random attack like i said.Doesn't happen very often.More likey to be gang related and being black

 

[algie]

What has the number of people involved got to do with it. The motivation behind the attack is the issue.

Unprovoked attack which was proven.Everyone was sentenced to jail terms i believe.Don't tell me that wasn't a racist attack because your talking out of your arse.Stamping on a mans head while he is unconcious.To me there is other other outcome.

 

[Skaville]

Unprovoked attack which was proven.Everyone was sentenced to jail terms i believe.Don't tell me that wasn't a racist attack because your talking out of your arse.Stamping on a mans head while he is unconcious.To me there is other other outcome.

Did they phone you beforehand and tell you that they were specifically going to target a white man? If I leave my house now to carry out an unprovoked attack on the first person i come across the unfortunate victim could be white, black, asian, innuit, male, female, transgender...

Could be a racist attack, but you don't know, so don't pretend otherwise.

 

[Skaville]

A song for you Algie. Night xxx

 

[Herman the Tosser]

The social situation of things can be argued and with decent grounds. Generally the blacks and immigrants are from the poorer areas, have less chance of a proper education and a chance to work. This does not excuse however the gang mentality which seems to rise up in them. But there are just as many english white folk on council estates with little chance of a future you would give a bogey for in exactly the same boat who do not have this mentality about them.

They are bitter about something for sure. I would say that the vast majority of racists attacks are commited by non whites.

 

[Skaville]

The social situation of things can be argued and with decent grounds. Generally the blacks and immigrants are from the poorer areas, have less chance of a proper education and a chance to work. This does not excuse however the gang mentality which seems to rise up in them. But there are just as many english white folk on council estates with little chance of a future you would give a bogey for in exactly the same boat who do not have this mentality about them.

They are bitter about something for sure. I would say that the vast majority of racists attacks are commited by non whites.

Just out of interest, where do you stand on "the troubles". I see you're flying the red hand of Ulster. Lot's of organised violence and terrorism in Ireland, by white British people wasn't there. You seem to be proudly displating their "gang" elblem. Are they excused because they are white?

 

[Herman the Tosser]

Just out of interest, where do you stand on "the troubles". I see you're flying the red hand of Ulster. Lot's of organised violence and terrorism in Ireland, by white British people wasn't there. You seem to be proudly displating their "gang" elblem. Are they excused because they are white?

I am displaying the Ulster 6 counties flag. I do not condone terrorism in any way shape or form. Any violence against innocent parties disgusts me. Loyalists never targeted civilians. THE IRA DID.

 

[Skaville]

I am displaying the Ulster 6 counties flag. I do not condone terrorism in any way shape or form. Any violence against innocent parties disgusts me. Loyalists never targeted civilians. THE IRA DID.

I'm sure you know much more than I do about all this, but I thought this might be somewhat wrong so I did a quick search on UVF on Wickipedia:

"As the violence in Northern Ireland began to escalate in the early 1970s the UVF's attacks became more random and lethal. One example of this is the McGurk's Bar bombing, New Lodge, Belfast on 4 December 1971 which killed fifteen Catholic civilians. The attack was initially blamed on republican paramilitaries by the authorities and media but the UVF later admitted responsibility.[3] [4] A subset of the UVF dubbed the Shankill Butchers (a group of UVF men based on the Shankill Road in Belfast) carried out a grisly series of sectarian murders of Catholic civilians. The victims were beaten and tortured before being killed. Another UVF group was responsible, allegedly with help from former and serving members of the Ulster Defence Regiment and MI5, for the bombs in Dublin and Monaghan of 17 May 1974 when thirty-three people were killed. The UVF was also to blame for the deaths of twelve civilians in an attack on 2 October 1974. The organisation carried out further attacks throughout the 1970s. These included the "Miami Showband killings" of 31 July 1975 — when three members of a showband from the Republic of Ireland were killed having been stopped at a fake British Army checkpoint on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Two members of the group survived the attack and later testified against those responsible. "

The UVF has killed more people than any other loyalist paramilitary organisation. According to the University of Ulster's Sutton database, the UVF was responsible for 426 killings during the Troubles, between 1969 and 2001:

350 of its victims were civilians,
8 were civilian political activists, mainly members of Sinn Féin
41 were loyalist paramilitaries (including 29 members of the UVF itself),
6 were British Army, Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) or Prison Officers and
12 were republican paramilitaries.

 

[sod1]

I am displaying the Ulster 6 counties flag. I do not condone terrorism in any way shape or form. Any violence against innocent parties disgusts me. Loyalists never targeted civilians. THE IRA DID.

 

[Herman the Tosser]

WHO SAYS I SUPPORT THE UVF YOU PRICK?

Thats like saying 'I think people from Gloucester are nice therefore I like Fred West.'

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

WHO SAYS I SUPPORT THE UVF YOU PRICK?

Thats like saying 'I think people from Gloucester are nice therefore I like Fred West.'

you said "Loyalists never targeted civilians. THE IRA DID." and he corrected you

 

[Skaville]

WHO SAYS I SUPPORT THE UVF YOU PRICK?

Thats like saying 'I think people from Gloucester are nice therefore I like Fred West.'

Fair enough. You did state however that loyalists never targeted civilians, which is clearly shite

 

[Herman the Tosser]

Yup . True I can't speak for all Loyalists. Some are scum. I bracket them the same as the provo's.

 

[Gully]

Thats like saying 'I think people from Gloucester are nice therefore I like Fred West.'

People from Gloucester are nice, but a bit like the Germans and the war, nobody mentions Fred West!

 

[clapham_gull]

Seems more to do with class rather than race.

In South London there are many obviously pockets of poor, badly education and brought up lads whose families originate from the West Indies, but go up to the North East and West and you will find more white lads getting up to same nonsense.

There is a problem with the young black community in London, and no-one is trying to pretend there isn't, but you can't suggest there is something about being black and living in South London that means you are destined for a life of crime.

I live amongst these lads, but also work with people of the same race and from the same area who have easily managed not to go that way.

 

[Hunting 784561]

People from Gloucester are nice, but a bit like the Germans and the war, nobody mentions Fred West!

but I would like to mention that Fred was the builder of a fine patio

 

[Herman the Tosser]

Westy is my favouite serial killer.
Top man.

 

[NMH]

Colour is irrelevant because the article does not imply any racist motivation. There was a row in a pub, the wrong bloke got stabbed.

Scenario - I get involved in a row in a pub because someone spills my pint. I punch a bloke who just happened to be from South Norwood. He's Palace, I'm Brighton. Is that a football thing? No, it's irrelevant. The issue was somethng else entirely.

Anyone with even the most basic grasp on sociology knows why most of the perpetrators are black. Most of the victims are too. Sadly, I think that several of the posters in this thread only actually give a shit when the victim is white.

Something about this post makes me feel uncomfortable.
Certainly, you want to distract from calling knife-crime a "black problem", but I think you are reacting to your own discomforts about pointing to a specific racial group - calling colour "irrelevant" in this case while we are discussing the whole issue, reads your own disquiet before taking a really serious issue by the real scruff of its' real neck.

Basic sociology says why most perps are black? Does that excuse the problem?
A MINORITY is committing a MAJORITY of a certain crime, but there's a reason? There's an excuse - for something where there can be none. You can fill the jails with black teens who have 'a reason to be disgruntled', and still writhe from taking the issue ON!?
Now come on - let's just get to the crux of the matter, call it what the social indications point to;- a race crime, a wrong crime, and one to make a race ashamed for so that they take it on board where it matters - parental level/local leaders/and the perpetrators themselves. Make them know it's totally wrong in all circumstances to be carrying a weapon in Breat Britain.

"Yes, you blacks - pull yourselves together ffs and get with the program in British society. Knives are for cowards and losers".

Personally, I see nothing wrong with broadcasting that message.