....The police turned up and the Brighton fans legged it (again) - The Argus

[Rodfox]

Why do some of brightons so called fans try to get involved in something, such as taking on they tried on Saturday, namely fighting opposing fans, when yet again they run away and give the club a bad name on the firm front.

We see it time and time again, whether it be Orient or Wycombe, seemingly bigging themselves up only to dissolve into the night when other fans of a similar ilk turn up, leaving so called "shirters" to pick up the pieces.

It was the same the other year when fat 'tash and his mates launched an attack on Cardiff from the hotel just down from the ground, of course, knowing that there were loads of the boys in blue to protect them.

A few even went begging to the police to be given a section 60....

 

[portlock seagull]

Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Biology in Leipzig, Germany, plan to reconstruct the genome of Neanderthals, the archaic human species that occupied Europe from 300,000 years ago until 30,000 years ago until being displaced by modern humans.
The genome will initially be reconstructed using DNA extracted from Neanderthal bones that are 45,000 years old, which were found in Croatia, though bones from other sites may be analyzed later.

The project is a collaboration between Dr. Svante Paabo of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, and 454 Life Sciences, a Connecticut company that has developed a new method of sequencing, or decoding, DNA.

The sequencing of Neanderthal DNA, long a forlorn hope, suddenly seems possible because of a combination of analytic work on ancient DNA by Dr. Paabo and a new kind of DNA sequencing machine developed by 454 Life Sciences.

Because the genome must be kept in constant repair and starts to break up immediately after the death of the cell, the DNA in Neanderthal bones exists in tiny fragments 100 or so units in length. As it happens, this is just the length that works best with the 454 machine, which is also able to decode vast amounts of DNA at low cost.

Recovery of the Neanderthal genome, in whole or in part, would be invaluable for reconstructing many events in human prehistory and evolution. It would help address such questions as whether Neanderthals and humans interbred, whether the archaic humans had an articulate form of language, how the Neanderthal brain was constructed, if they had light or dark skins, and the total size of the Neanderthal population.

The project is still at an early stage but much groundwork has already been laid. Most Neanderthal bones contain no Neanderthal DNA at all, but almost all are heavily contaminated with the human DNA of the many people who handled the bones. Dr. Paabo has developed stringent methods to address this contamination problem.

Even with the DNA that is known to be ancient, some 95 percent of that in Neanderthal bones belongs to ancient bacteria, said Michael Egholm, a vice president of 454 Life Sciences. But these bacterial sequences can be recognized and discarded, Dr. Egholm said.

Because Neanderthal DNA is so scarce, Dr. Paabo and the 454 researchers developed their methods on ancient DNA from cave bears and mammoth.

Turning to Neanderthal bones, they have already recovered considerable amounts of DNA sequence, which are derived from every chromosome in the Neanderthal cell, as judged by matching the Neanderthal DNA to the human genome sequence that was first fully decoded in 2003.

The first goal of the project will be to sequence three billion units of Neanderthal DNA, corresponding to the full length of the Neanderthal genome. This will require decoding 20 times as much DNA, because so much of the DNA in the Neanderthal bones belongs to bacteria.

Genomes must usually be decoded several times over to get a complete and accurate sequence, but the first three billion bases of Neanderthal should “hit all the essential differences,” Dr. Egholm said.

The researchers’ hope is to recover the entire sequence of the Neanderthal genome, but that will depend on which they can recover enough DNA. From sampling so far, no particular gaps in the sequence are apparent. “We are hitting all the chromosomes and getting good coverage,” Dr. Egholm said. If no single specimen yields a full sequence, the genome might be recovered by combining DNA from several individuals.

One of the most important results that researchers are hoping for is to discover, from a three-way comparison between chimp, human and Neanderthal DNA, which genes have made humans human. The chimp and human genomes differ at just 1 percent of the sites on their DNA. At 1 percent, Neanderthals resemble humans at 96 percent of the sites, to judge from the preliminary work, and chimps at 4 percent. Analysis of the DNA at the sites at which humans differ from the two other species will help understand the evolution of specifically human traits “and perhaps even aspects of cognitive function,” Dr. Paabo said.

The degree of resemblance between humans and Neanderthals is fiercely debated by archaeologists and even issues such as whether Neanderthals had language have not been resolved.

Dr. Paabo believes that genetic analysis is the best hope of doing so. He has paid particular attention to a gene known as FOXP2, which from its mutated forms in people seems to be involved in several advanced aspects of language. The human version of the gene differs at two sites from the chimp version. Knowing whether the sequence of the Neanderthal gene is closer to chimps or humans would help decide whether they had advanced speech like people or some lesser form of communication, perhaps without syntax.

“I suspect they had language in some form but perhaps not quite as we do it,” Dr. Paabo said. Asked if he had already had hit the FOXP2 gene in the Neanderthal sequencing done so far, he said “No, that would be just too lucky.”

If the Neanderthal genome were fully recovered, it might in principle be possible to bring the species back from extinction by inserting the Neanderthal genome into a human egg and having volunteers bear Neanderthal infants. There would, however, be great technical and ethical barriers to any such venture.

 

[Paxton Dazo]

Was you there Roddy?

 

[csider]

Why do some of brightons so called fans try to get involved in something, such as taking on they tried on Saturday, namely fighting opposing fans, when yet again they run away and give the club a bad name on the firm front.

We see it time and time again, whether it be Orient or Wycombe, seemingly bigging themselves up only to dissolve into the night when other fans of a similar ilk turn up, leaving so called "shirters" to pick up the pieces.

It was the same the other year when fat 'tash and his mates launched an attack on Cardiff from the hotel just down from the ground, of course, knowing that there were loads of the boys in blue to protect them.

A few even went begging to the police to be given a section 60....

The incident against Cardiff is very different from what you are saying.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Am I mistaken or is it not 2009?

 

[Paxton Dazo]

Am I mistaken or is it not 2009?

It's 2009. I just checked.

 

[El Presidente]

Am I mistaken or is it not 2009?

You are mistaken Ed, definitely 2155 when you posted.

 

[csider]

2009, yes....why??

 

[Rodfox]

The incident against Cardiff is very different from what you are saying.

I was an innocent bystander that night, fat 'tash mustered his troops, they all grabbed a glass/ashtray, pushed the doors open onto the main road and launched when they had checked police were there to look after them.

Cardiff were on the other side of the road, with two lanes of stationary traffic, police etc blocking any retaliation....Cowardly is one way to describe it.

 

[csider]

We are talking different times & places by the sound of it.

 

[The Grockle]

Why do some of brightons so called fans try to get involved in something, such as taking on they tried on Saturday, namely fighting opposing fans, when yet again they run away and give the club a bad name on the firm front.

We see it time and time again, whether it be Orient or Wycombe, seemingly bigging themselves up only to dissolve into the night when other fans of a similar ilk turn up, leaving so called "shirters" to pick up the pieces.

It was the same the other year when fat 'tash and his mates launched an attack on Cardiff from the hotel just down from the ground, of course, knowing that there were loads of the boys in blue to protect them.

A few even went begging to the police to be given a section 60....

What happened saturday?
What is section 60?
Are you mental?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I've heard of plastic fans but now it seems we have plastic firms - fantasies of agro from the comfort of the armchair.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Why do some of brightons so called fans try to get involved in something, such as taking on they tried on Saturday, namely fighting opposing fans, when yet again they run away and give the club a bad name on the firm front.

We see it time and time again, whether it be Orient or Wycombe, seemingly bigging themselves up only to dissolve into the night when other fans of a similar ilk turn up, leaving so called "shirters" to pick up the pieces.

It was the same the other year when fat 'tash and his mates launched an attack on Cardiff from the hotel just down from the ground, of course, knowing that there were loads of the boys in blue to protect them.

A few even went begging to the police to be given a section 60....

you couldn't make that up

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

What happened saturday?
What is section 60?
Are you mental?

oh dear, you've let me down again

 

[csider]

you couldn't make that up

but he was there das

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

but he was there das

i'm sure he was

 

[csider]

i'm sure he was

Balkham:yahoo:

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Balkham:yahoo:

he tries his best bless him

 

[bhaexpress]

And there's me thinking that the school holidays were over. Must be that 'Special' schools have longer breaks.

 

[csider]

And there's me thinking that the school holidays were over. Must be that 'Special' schools have longer breaks.

Yeah, they still let you use the computer room do they....