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Weststander

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The last two were Principal Private Secretaries to Johnson and Blair, who appointed them in turn to the role. We didn’t actually have one at all between 2012 and 2020.

The guy resigning today was described on the news as “the top civil servant” or “head of the civil service”. I’m thinking of the top mandarin, whatever the arrangement.
 
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WATFORD zero

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The guy resigning today was described on the news as “the top civil servant” or “head of the civil service”. I’m thinking of the top mandarin, whatever the arrangement.

Simon Case was Principle Private Secretary to David Cameron and Theresa May, he then got promoted to Cabinet Secretary under Johnson (the highest post in the Civil Service) where he had his first run-in with Sue Gray, when he blocked her promotion to Permanent Secretary, so she resigned and joined the Labour party.

He was the most senior civil servant through partygate and was never charged, although he was at the parties Johnson and Sunak were charged for and people who worked for him were. I'm debating with a certain mod whether he, or Sue Gray have more enemies.

I'm guessing you've missed the last three series of 'Yes Prime Prime Minister' which would have given a good background :wink:
 
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Pavilionaire

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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.

Britain is getting back to work and back to health, but let's carry on talking about dresses, football tickets and Sue Gray's private life because that's the stuff that really matters.
 


jcdenton08

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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.

Britain is getting back to work and back to health, but let's carry on talking about dresses, football tickets and Sue Gray's private life because that's the stuff that really matters.
I think the WFA is “proper news”. Glad those doctors are back (I fully support their pay rises incidentally) - the country is going to need them more than ever.
 


Chicken Run

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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.

Britain is getting back to work and back to health, but let's carry on talking about dresses, football tickets and Sue Gray's private life because that's the stuff that really matters.
Yep well done Labour, give the Unions what they want and the Pensioners can pay for it, shame on you Pav
 




Bozza

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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.

Britain is getting back to work and back to health, but let's carry on talking about dresses, football tickets and Sue Gray's private life because that's the stuff that really matters.
All?


Which is a shame, as we're going to need the nurses more than ever this winter when all those pensioners who can't afford to heat their homes head towards hospitals across the country.

And that's the real story we should all be debating.

A common pattern on this thread, however, is a certain group of people very much not wanting to talk about that - they'd rather brush it away with an ill-informed "rich pensioners won't get WFP, and the poor ones still will" or go mysteriously AWOL - perhaps when they do finally understand what the Government are inflicting on a lot of very vulnerable people.

In fact, it's the same group of people who do also seem quite happy to talk about tickets, free clobber and designer specs. Convenient...
 


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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.
It’s very easy to resolve pay disputes in the short term by simply giving people what they're demanding. The reason this is a very bad, short-termist idea will become apparent quite soon. I won’t spoil it for you. Just wait and see.
 


amexer

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After giving all others what they want could see this coming. I know a railway worker and he was surprised there increase didnt come with a demand for say additional output. In his words it was hardly pay negotiation they just gave us what was asked.
 




Weststander

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Which is a shame, as we're going to need the nurses more than ever this winter with all those pensioners who can't afford to heat their homes heading towards hospitals across the country.

And that's the real story we should all be debating.

A common pattern on this thread, however, is a certain group of people very much not wanting to talk about that - they'd rather brush it away with an ill-informed "rich pensioners won't get WFP, and the poor ones still will" or go mysteriously AWOL when they do finally understand what the Government are inflicting on a lot of very vulnerable people.

In fact, it's the same group of people who do also seem quite happy to talk about tickets, free clobber and designer specs. Convenient...

In the wider world, the WFP subject won’t go away. I still think Reeves has an opportunity on budget day to help the circa 1.5m households who’ll be hurt. It’ll need to be tangible and for this coming winter. If instead there’s only a series of rabble-rousing hits on higher rate taxpayers and wealthy, the 75% representing the non-LP devotees will see through it.
 


Machiavelli

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There is a huge difference between the royals accepting freebies and the PM. The royals are figureheads and do not set or even influence policy. The PM sets policy and every freebie is given to get his ear and gain nfluence
You're obviously not clued up on His Maj's past. God save him, though.
 


aolstudios

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In proper news, all major industrial disputes have now been resolved following a tumultuous period. Since the Labour government came to power on 5 July 2024, pay offers for resident doctors, rail workers and elsewhere in the public sector have been accepted by trade union members.

Britain is getting back to work and back to health, but let's carry on talking about dresses, football tickets and Sue Gray's private life because that's the stuff that really matters.
Well, exactly
 




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30 days until the budget. What joyous treats are in store?
 










Weststander

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Start taxing assets rather than labour or necessary consumption would be a decent start. Wouldn't have got that from the previous lot.

Or Blair, Brown. A lot of people, many millions especially in southern England have become very wealthy in the period 1995 to date. Main hone, holiday home here or overseas, funds under management. They did very, very well under Labour, Coalition and Tory. I doubt most have cottoned on to the disparity.
 




Javeaseagull

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Such a lot of noise about WFP yet hardly a mention of the 2 child limit for Child Allowance. We need more children in this ageing country to pay our pensions. We could lower the average age of the country by allowing more immigration but we all know that is a no-no. So we don’t want more children or immigrants but we want more money spent on pensioners. Have I got that right?
 




Thunder Bolt

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Such a lot of noise about WFP yet hardly a mention of the 2 child limit for Child Allowance. We need more children in this ageing country to pay our pensions. We could lower the average age of the country by allowing more immigration but we all know that is a no-no. So we don’t want more children or immigrants but we want more money spent on pensioners. Have I got that right?
It isn’t Child Allowance, it’s a two child benefit cap.

 


Weststander

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Such a lot of noise about WFP yet hardly a mention of the 2 child limit for Child Allowance. We need more children in this ageing country to pay our pensions. We could lower the average age of the country by allowing more immigration but we all know that is a no-no. So we don’t want more children or immigrants but we want more money spent on pensioners. Have I got that right?

Net inwards migration was 685k in 2023, the ONS project a UK population of 74m in 12 years time. There needs to be a strategy to get the working age population trained and working. The german model is the one to follow, many have known that for an age, but little happens.
 


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