[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Blue Valkyrie]

Destabilise Europe and NATO (Trump already talking about leaving) and Putin can walk back into the old Soviet states starting with Ukraine.

Belarus first - the information out now is that they are moving towards merging with Putin's Russia to create a new combined state.

 

[nicko31]

More Raab lies

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Ultimately it will come down to 2 choices

a) Stay close to the EU block, retain alignment

or

b) Move away and do a deal with Trump, bye bye NHS as we know it (and the Union as well)

We can't have both

Will Boris listen to business or will he go with the shadowy think tanks that fund the Tory party??

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Labour should be standing down in places like this, they will never win Lewes. Tactical voting key here unless Lewes want another 5 years that Tories Brextremist...

The Tories are worried. On Sunday afternoon, for the first time ever since living here (15 years) we had a knock on the door, from a canvassor. It was someone canvassing for Maria Caulfied asking if I would vote for her.
I gave him a blast between his ears with three reasons why I wouldn't vote for her if she was the only candidate standing.
He beat a hasty retreat down the path. My husband just stood by laughing.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Belarus first - the information out now is that they are moving towards merging with Putin's Russia to create a new combined state.

Belarus has long been in the Kremlin's pocket. I retired in 2014, and a former colleague came from there.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Ultimately it will come down to 2 choices

a) Stay close to the EU block, retain alignment

or

b) Move away and do a deal with Trump, bye bye NHS as we know it (and the Union as well)

We can't have both

Will Boris listen to business or will he go with the shadowy think tanks that fund the Tory party??

It will be a no deal Brexit. Johnson has no plan to do trade deals. He had a majority vote for the Withdrawal deal, got a second reading and then called an election. He wanted rid of any 'soft' Tories and so he can then boast of a mandate, if he gets re-elected.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Council tax more likely to go up under Conservatives than Labour or Lib Dems, Institute for Fiscal Studies suggests

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has published a briefing on the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat plans for local government funding. This is not an issue that has attracted much attention in the campaign so far, but it deserves some focus because councils provide vital services – and the gap between what’s on offer from the Tories and Labour is vast.

Although the Conservatives claim to be a low-tax party, under their plans it is more likely that council tax would have to rise, the IFS suggests.

Well the history of B&H Council suggests otherwise :

£ % change Party
1995-96 609 5.0 Labour
1996-97 646 6.1 Labour
1997-98 688 6.5 Labour
1998-99 747 8.6 Labour
1999-00 798 6.8 Labour
2000-01 847 6.1 Labour
2001-02 901 6.4 Labour
2002-03 976 8.2 Labour
2003-04 1,102 12.9 Labour
2004-05 1,167 5.9 Labour
2005-06 1,214 4.1 Labour
2006-07 1,268 4.5 Conservative
2007-08 1,321 4.2 Conservative
2008-09 1,373 3.9 Conservative
2009-10 1,414 3.0 Conservative
2010-11 1,439 1.8 Conservative
2011-12 1,439 0.0 Green
2012-13 1,444 0.3 Green
2013-14 1,456 0.8 Green
2014-15 1,468 0.8 Green
2015-16 1,484 1.1 Green
2016-17 1,530 3.1 Labour
2017-18 1,591 4.0 Labour
2018-19 1,671 5.1 Labour
2019-20 1,750 4.7 Labour

Which means in the last 23 years, Labour have put council tax up by an average of 6.2% a year, Tories by 3.5% a year and the Greens by 0.6% a year. The IFS are talking bollocks. Labour are the party of tax and spend.

 

[nicko31]

It will be a no deal Brexit. Johnson has no plan to do trade deals. He had a majority vote for the Withdrawal deal, got a second reading and then called an election. He wanted rid of any 'soft' Tories and so he can then boast of a mandate, if he gets re-elected.

I heard the political editor of the Telegraph (actually a pretty pragmatic kind of guy) say he doesn't think business would allow no deal, to be honest I'm not so sure.

If it happens a lot of people are gonna lose their shirts many of which don't have a clue what is going on. For those with money maybe time to find an IFA and get advice to look after ones interests, there's still time

 

[theonlymikey]

Well the history of B&H Council suggests otherwise :

£ % changeParty
1995-966095.0Labour
1996-976466.1Labour
1997-986886.5Labour
1998-997478.6Labour
1999-007986.8Labour
2000-018476.1Labour
2001-029016.4Labour
2002-039768.2Labour
2003-041,10212.9Labour
2004-051,1675.9Labour
2005-061,2144.1Labour
2006-071,2684.5Conservative
2007-081,3214.2Conservative
2008-091,3733.9Conservative
2009-101,4143.0Conservative
2010-111,4391.8Conservative
2011-121,4390.0Green
2012-131,4440.3Green
2013-141,4560.8Green
2014-151,4680.8Green
2015-161,4841.1Green
2016-171,5303.1Labour
2017-181,5914.0Labour
2018-191,6715.1Labour
2019-201,7504.7Labour

Which means in the last 23 years, Labour have put council tax up by an average of 6.2% a year, Tories by 3.5% a year and the Greens by 0.6% a year. The IFS are talking bollocks. Labour are the party of tax and spend.

Sigh.

Just one question. Who's government has been systematically reducing council funding since they took power?

You have proved my point. Many thanks.

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[Guinness Boy]

Well the history of B&H Council suggests otherwise :

£ % change Party
1995-96 609 5.0 Labour
1996-97 646 6.1 Labour
1997-98 688 6.5 Labour
1998-99 747 8.6 Labour
1999-00 798 6.8 Labour
2000-01 847 6.1 Labour
2001-02 901 6.4 Labour
2002-03 976 8.2 Labour
2003-04 1,102 12.9 Labour
2004-05 1,167 5.9 Labour
2005-06 1,214 4.1 Labour
2006-07 1,268 4.5 Conservative
2007-08 1,321 4.2 Conservative
2008-09 1,373 3.9 Conservative
2009-10 1,414 3.0 Conservative
2010-11 1,439 1.8 Conservative
2011-12 1,439 0.0 Green
2012-13 1,444 0.3 Green
2013-14 1,456 0.8 Green
2014-15 1,468 0.8 Green
2015-16 1,484 1.1 Green
2016-17 1,530 3.1 Labour
2017-18 1,591 4.0 Labour
2018-19 1,671 5.1 Labour
2019-20 1,750 4.7 Labour

Which means in the last 23 years, Labour have put council tax up by an average of 6.2% a year, Tories by 3.5% a year and the Greens by 0.6% a year. The IFS are talking bollocks. Labour are the party of tax and spend.

Sigh.

Just one question. Who's government has been systematically reducing council funding since they took power?

You have proved my point. Many thanks.

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More to the point the IFS isn't stating what HAS happened. It is predicting what will happen in the future. Past performace is no guide to future returns.

 

[Is it PotG?]

More to the point the IFS isn't stating what HAS happened. It is predicting what will happen in the future. Past performace is no guide to future returns.

In other words, no bugger knows for sure what will happen.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

With all of his funding from Russia. Welcome back to No. 10, comrade Boris.

It would appear from reports today that Corbyn is the one in bed with our Kremlin chums.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It would appear from reports today that Corbyn is the one in bed with our Kremlin chums.

There is more than 1 bed.

Win - Win. Happy New Year, Vova.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well the history of B&H Council suggests otherwise :

£ % change Party
1995-96 609 5.0 Labour
1996-97 646 6.1 Labour
1997-98 688 6.5 Labour
1998-99 747 8.6 Labour
1999-00 798 6.8 Labour
2000-01 847 6.1 Labour
2001-02 901 6.4 Labour
2002-03 976 8.2 Labour
2003-04 1,102 12.9 Labour
2004-05 1,167 5.9 Labour
2005-06 1,214 4.1 Labour
2006-07 1,268 4.5 Conservative
2007-08 1,321 4.2 Conservative
2008-09 1,373 3.9 Conservative
2009-10 1,414 3.0 Conservative
2010-11 1,439 1.8 Conservative
2011-12 1,439 0.0 Green
2012-13 1,444 0.3 Green
2013-14 1,456 0.8 Green
2014-15 1,468 0.8 Green
2015-16 1,484 1.1 Green
2016-17 1,530 3.1 Labour
2017-18 1,591 4.0 Labour
2018-19 1,671 5.1 Labour
2019-20 1,750 4.7 Labour

Which means in the last 23 years, Labour have put council tax up by an average of 6.2% a year, Tories by 3.5% a year and the Greens by 0.6% a year. The IFS are talking bollocks. Labour are the party of tax and spend.

The IFS, one minute the voice of reason and economic prudence, next minute talking bollocks because someone got Brighton and Hove's figures.

You're making a ridiculous conclusion that really has no context for comparing the role central government has in the funding of local authorities, the difference between unitary, city and smaller authorities, population and economic growth, typical rises against inflation etc. etc. And our authority is still underfunded.

 

[Guinness Boy]

In other words, no bugger knows for sure what will happen.

That depends. It seemd the Brexiteers and Tories on here, particularlty JCFG, are more than prepared to believe the IFS when it suits.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Sigh.

Just one question. Who's government has been systematically reducing council funding since they took power?

You have proved my point. Many thanks.

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Austerity started in 2010. The council tax increase cap started in 2012. Now look at the figures for the Greens who worked under austerity and compare them to Labour pre-austerity and pre-cap. The increases were regularly over 6%. The only reason the current Labour council don't go higher is because of the cap and they're too scared to go for a local referendum.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It would appear from reports today that Corbyn is the one in bed with our Kremlin chums.

Even the Telegraph doesn't go that far.

 

[theonlymikey]

Austerity started in 2010. The council tax increase cap started in 2012. Now look at the figures for the Greens who worked under austerity and compare them to Labour pre-austerity and pre-cap. The increases were regularly over 6%. The only reason the current Labour council don't go higher is because of the cap and they're too scared to go for a local referendum.

So the IFS are telling fibs. Got it.

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[Westdene Seagull]

So the IFS are telling fibs. Got it.

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I'm suggesting history goes against their prediction. I know it hurts you to see your beloved Labour Party held up as a high taxation party but history proves it is. That's not necessarily a bad thing, just as long as people are happy to pay higher taxes.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Dominic Raab has told the Vietnamese families, they can have their lorry victims bodies back, at a price of £2000 a body. He's all heart.

We didn't invite them here
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wwAnoECA4QHw&usg=AOvVaw3HmcOATvhNFw83XVoGi6oC
one for JC
Regards
DF