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The Draft system is the answer to mid-table premierSHIT mediocrity.



DerbyGull

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_(sports)

A draft is a process used in the United States, Canada, Japan, Australia, Russia and the Philippines to allocate certain players to sports teams. In a draft, teams take turns selecting from a pool of eligible players. When a team selects a player, the team receives exclusive rights to sign that player to a contract, and no other team in the league may sign the player.
The best-known type of draft is the entry draft, which is used to allocate players who have recently become eligible to play in a league. Depending on the sport, the players may come from college, high school or junior teams or teams in other countries.
An entry draft prevents expensive bidding wars for young talent and ensures that no one team can sign contracts with all of the best young players and make the league uncompetitive. To encourage parity, teams that do poorly in the previous season usually get to choose first in the postseason draft.
Other types of drafts include the expansion draft, in which a new team selects players from other teams in the league; and the dispersal draft, in which a league's surviving teams select players from the roster of a newly defunct franchise.
Drafts are permissible under anti-trust law because they are included in collective bargaining agreements between leagues and labor unions representing players. These agreements generally stipulate that after a certain number of seasons, a player whose contract has expired becomes a free agent and can sign with any team. They also require minimum salaries for newly drafted rookies.
National Football League Commissioner Bert Bell instituted a draft in 1935 as a way to restrain teams' payrolls and reduce the dominance of the league's perennial contenders.[1] It was adopted by precursor of the National Basketball Association in 1947; by the National Hockey League in 1963; and by Major League Baseball in 1965, although draft systems had been used in baseball since the 19th century.[2]
Drafts are virtually unknown to international football where most professional clubs obtain young players through purchase or developing youth players through their own academies.



You might argue how can it be enforced in the premier league. Surely the teams that relegated would miss out, but teams that finished just above the drop would get first picks on the best young players coming through. We should at least entertain the idea, if the biggest capitalist country in the world, America, can have a socialist system in place in their Football league then so can we.
 




Stat Brother

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You might argue how can it be enforced in the premier league. Surely the teams that relegated would miss out, but teams that finished just above the drop would get first picks on the best young players coming through. We should at least entertain the idea, if the biggest capitalist country in the world, America, can have a socialist system in place in their Football league then so can we.
Coming through from where?
The US works because that have a professional (in all but name) College set up, from where to draft.
 




Stat Brother

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But all the time the EPL doesn't care, because 'it's the greatest league in the world', and they are immune from the financial restrictions the rest of the world follows.
Plus the big 2 possibly 3, and followed by the nearly as big 1, with the almost there 2, would never vote to even the playing field, anyway.
 


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cant work unless we have a proper youth system in place.

and wont work as players will say f*** off i dnt want to play for stoke if man utd want me (and by playing for man utd im more likely to win and play for england)

p.s. the draft system is amazing though. it's 1 of the reasons i like watching NFL and NBA. I wish it could work somehow over here.
 




beorhthelm

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is it? so whats the question then?

as Stat Brother highlights, it cant work here where there is no independent source of training. we'd need to have a state/FA run systm of acedemies first.
 


drew

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EU = Restraint of trade.

Will never work here for the very reasons already mentioned in that US has an established collegiate league for their main sports of grid iron and basketball and probably Ice Hockey and Baseball as well. In this country we have a youth setup. Besides, even though smaller teams get first pick, don't they frequently trade them as soon as they are awarded the best?
 


Da Man Clay

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Not a chance. Wouldn't work without a salary cap or a youth set up similar to the USA. Neither would ever get voted in.
 




Castello

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an interesting idea. To do it you would need an FA run group of training acadamies where the best players are picked up young and alongside thier normal education be coached in football. This would have to paid for by the clubs with a draft system for each years graduates. By doing this the teams that would dominate would require staff that know how to spot the best value graduates and how to work a draft system. The best setup would rise to the top.

The main reason this would never work is that the income that the biggest teams in england currently have is so much more than the rest, why would they choose to give this up to achieve a more equal system. Its just not going to happen ...and the fans of the big clubs will oppose it.

there may be more scope for something if we had a European wide league where the financial differences between the top teams are less, although i still don't see the italian and english clubs buying into it.

As I said an interesting idea to talk about on a football forum, but miles away from reality.
 


Lovely idea BUT. Perhaps if one or more EPL clubs suffer financial meltdown and end up starting again in the Blue Square or whatever, and the FA and League merge and and square up to the EPL, and Murdoch and SKY lose interest in TV rights for soccerball...............

Goodness, a pig has just flown past, and it is nearly dark as well.
 


DerbyGull

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Lovely idea BUT. Perhaps if one or more EPL clubs suffer financial meltdown and end up starting again in the Blue Square or whatever, and the FA and League merge and and square up to the EPL, and Murdoch and SKY lose interest in TV rights for soccerball...............

Goodness, a pig has just flown past, and it is nearly dark as well.

Time to take take Sugar's advice and let clubs like pompey go bust.
 






auschr

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The draft system works in the US because dickheads who proudly call their teams franchises are insured that their team no matter how shit will be in danger of losing profits. MLS has a draft, look at the recently posted player salaries.. two teams namely LA and NY outspend the entire league... and will continue too.
 


mona

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Time to take take Sugar's advice and let clubs like pompey go bust.


mmmmm Graham Kelly said exactly the same thing about Brighton when Greg and Bill's asset strip left the club without a ground.

Thought the Sugar programme was ok and, of course, it is obscene that PFC can wriggle out of their debts to local businesses. But the whole issue of football finance needs more coverage than a single programme delivered by a man who is not entirely blameless for current troubles.
 




DerbyGull

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mmmmm Graham Kelly said exactly the same thing about Brighton when Greg and Bill's asset strip left the club without a ground.

Thought the Sugar programme was ok and, of course, it is obscene that PFC can wriggle out of their debts to local businesses. But the whole issue of football finance needs more coverage than a single programme delivered by a man who is not entirely blameless for current troubles.

i thought it was very sad that businesses were going under because of pompey. You know it's going on (with them and other clubs) but watching that programme makes it more real.
 


TS90

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The draft system only works when you have a central pool of talent to pick from and no real competition from other leagues.
 


Gwylan

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Thought the Sugar programme was ok and, of course, it is obscene that PFC can wriggle out of their debts to local businesses. But the whole issue of football finance needs more coverage than a single programme delivered by a man who is not entirely blameless for current troubles.

Didn't see the programme so don't know exactly what Sugar said, but he's being a bit naive picking on football. The problem is that ANY business can go bust and leave small suppliers stranded (I've been owed money by three different companies that have declared themselves insolvent and just carried on trading under another name), football clubs just exploit this. The PL and FL couldn't prevent this but they could be tougher on clubs that go into admin - the current points penalty is just pathetic.

You're right to highlight Sugar's part in this. It takes some chutzpah for a man partly responsible for the greed and inequality in modern football to complain about finances running out of control.

Personally, I'd like to see any club going into administration relegated at the end of that season (and if they're already going down - like Pompey - that go down two divisions). And if a club goes into admin again, within a ten year period, they get relegated two divisions. That would be a more appropriate penalty.

I think the problem is more than just finances, it's the dominance of the likes of Man U, Chelsea etc I'd like to see the top clubs bugger off to the European league that's been spoken about for so long and leave the rest of us to get on with a proper First Division.
 


Stumpy Tim

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Didn't see the programme so don't know exactly what Sugar said, but he's being a bit naive picking on football. The problem is that ANY business can go bust and leave small suppliers stranded (I've been owed money by three different companies that have declared themselves insolvent and just carried on trading under another name), football clubs just exploit this. The PL and FL couldn't prevent this but they could be tougher on clubs that go into admin - the current points penalty is just pathetic.

You're right to highlight Sugar's part in this. It takes some chutzpah for a man partly responsible for the greed and inequality in modern football to complain about finances running out of control.

Personally, I'd like to see any club going into administration relegated at the end of that season (and if they're already going down - like Pompey - that go down two divisions). And if a club goes into admin again, within a ten year period, they get relegated two divisions. That would be a more appropriate penalty.

I think the problem is more than just finances, it's the dominance of the likes of Man U, Chelsea etc I'd like to see the top clubs bugger off to the European league that's been spoken about for so long and leave the rest of us to get on with a proper First Division.

Agree with this 100%
 




bhaexpress

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The draft would fall foul of EEC law, it's restraint of trade and so on, this is quite apart from the fact that as already been said that we have no regulated talent pool to draft from. If there is a requirement to level the playing fields then the only viable way is a salary cap. Don't forget that unlike the countries mentioned we have a promotion and relegation issue which is also a factor.
 


drew

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How on earth would a salary cap level the playing field, unless you're talking about the same salary across the board for each division, ie an annual salary rather than a percentage of a clubs turnover. Once again, it will never get voted in.
 


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