[Football] The "delaying the offside flag and letting it play out" thing

[Bozza]

That injury that everyone was saying would happen sooner or later...

 

[Milano]

That ‘rule’ is the stupidest ‘rule’ in football, honestly I’ve not met or heard any fan of any club who thinks it’s a good idea. Who the f*** comes up with this nonsense.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That injury that everyone was saying would happen sooner or later...

Yes, this has to stop.
Madness.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Probably ruptured his spleen or something along those lines. Sounds like it's under control so that's good news at least.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Slightly gobsmacked that the medical staff cleared him to play on. He's gone from "He'll be fine" to a life threatening injury. Sometimes I think medical diagnosis is just a massive guess up.

 

[Deadly Danson]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that, if you have VAR, then you have to delay the flag if there is any doubt otherwise there's no point having it. If you are 100% sure then of course flag. In this particular case although it was fairly obvious, because (if i remember rightly) it was one of those where attacker and defender run in opposite directions there is only a split second difference between on and off even if the still image looks really clear. Of course we could do away with VAR and solve the problem.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Probably ruptured his spleen or something along those lines. Sounds like it's under control so that's good news at least.

Yep. My thoughts too. Best wishes to him

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Slightly gobsmacked that the medical staff cleared him to play on. He's gone from "He'll be fine" to a life threatening injury. Sometimes I think medical diagnosis is just a massive guess up.

That's unfair. Internal injuries are frequently difficult to diagnose. He hits the post, he says it hurts, but then gets up and says he'll run it off. It's not like a broken leg where your foot's pointing the wrong way or a big cut that's bleeding all over the place. They'll go to some extent with how the player says he feels, and 99% of the time, impact injuries result in nothing but bruising.

If it's his spleen, or a lacerated liver, say then it will become more of an issue as time passes and it bleeds internally, whereby the pain will become worse, which is the point where they will start to go "hang on, this isn't normal" and start looking into it a bit deeper.

Didn't Shane Duffy have some sort of internal injury from football that left him requiring surgery? It vaguely rings a bell.

 

[jackalbion]

It is madness, especially when you are now seeing Referees and Linesmen in the sixth tier do it. Will cause an injury, and at that level it not like they are going to check with VAR.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

It's not like a broken leg..

Leicester physios once let a player stay on after treatment at the Withdean. He took about two steps and went down injured before being helped off the pitch. Turned out he’d broken his leg and they’d try to let him “run it off”.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

That's unfair. Internal injuries are frequently difficult to diagnose. He hits the post, he says it hurts, but then gets up and says he'll run it off. It's not like a broken leg where your foot's pointing the wrong way or a big cut that's bleeding all over the place. They'll go to some extent with how the player says he feels, and 99% of the time, impact injuries result in nothing but bruising.

If it's his spleen, or a lacerated liver, say then it will become more of an issue as time passes and it bleeds internally, whereby the pain will become worse, which is the point where they will start to go "hang on, this isn't normal" and start looking into it a bit deeper.

Didn't Shane Duffy have some sort of internal injury from football that left him requiring surgery? It vaguely rings a bell.

Duffy lacerated his liver in training (at Everton as an 18 year old) and almost bled to death. Then of course we had Jimmy McNulty at Withdean, that was a pretty grim one, too.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Leicester physios once let a player stay on after treatment at the Withdean. He took about two steps and went down injured before being helped off the pitch. Turned out he’d broken his leg and they’d try to let him “run it off”.

It happens occasionally. I'm sure there are people on here who've suffered significant injury but not realised it immediately. Again: if the player says it feels OK, then unless there is visually a very obvious injury or it's a head injury where the player quite transparently doesn't know what day it is, then the medics will go with what he says, and keep an eye on him. Players generally want to play and they're used to getting knocks and running them off. Medical staff can only recommend a player come off: they can't physically drag them from the field.

The Bournemouth player (Scott?) carried on after getting elbowed in the face the the other week and it later transpired he had a fractured jaw. If he or the club medics had suspected a fracture, I'm sure they'd have told him in no uncertain terms he was coming off, but he presumably said he thought it was alright, just a bit sore. Rather more famously, Bert Trautmann carried on with his neck fracture, albeit they probably had no sub keeper back them anyway and the physio was probably some chain smoking backroom guy with a bucket and sponge.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Duffy lacerated his liver in training (at Everton as an 18 year old) and almost bled to death. Then of course we had Jimmy McNulty at Withdean, that was a pretty grim one, too.

McNulty ruptured a kidney, and was stretchered off the pitch.

 

[Dave Fishwick]

good luck to Awoniyi but this is all being wise after the event for me

there would be chaos if we conceded a goal because all our defenders stopped playing, as is natural after seeing the flag go up (like the one Shelvey scored for someone in a recent season)

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I don't quite see what the injury has to do with the flag not going up... no other rule gets changed to make the injury more likely than if he had actually been onside

All you are saying is that injuries won't occur when football isn't being played - so if that's the aim then stop playing football altogether

 

[Steve in Japan]

Watching the game live, it was very clearly offside and should have been flagged straightaway. PGMOL need to own this and change their "protocol".

 

[Simster]

good luck to Awoniyi but this is all being wise after the event for me

there would be chaos if we conceded a goal because all our defenders stopped playing, as is natural after seeing the flag go up (like the one Shelvey scored for someone in a recent season)

Exactly. If he'd been onside, this thread wouldn't exist despite the injury.

It's only "madness" if the player is clearly offside by about six feet, but sometimes officials can't even spot that, as Stockport fans will tell you.

 

[bhafc99]

Watching the game live, it was very clearly offside and should have been flagged straightaway. PGMOL need to own this and change their "protocol".

Agree. It was clearly offside.

 

[Brian Munich]

I don't quite see what the injury has to do with the flag not going up... no other rule gets changed to make the injury more likely than if he had actually been onside

All you are saying is that injuries won't occur when football isn't being played - so if that's the aim then stop playing football altogether

This with bells on. It’s a really nasty injury, but this is just an unfortunate part of sport at any level. It wasn’t more likely to happen just because the player was in an offside position.

I also don’t get the complaint about linos flagging late. If they flagged straight away then VAR wouldn’t be able to reverse an incorrect flag that led to a goal.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that, if you have VAR, then you have to delay the flag if there is any doubt otherwise there's no point having it. If you are 100% sure then of course flag. In this particular case although it was fairly obvious, because (if i remember rightly) it was one of those where attacker and defender run in opposite directions there is only a split second difference between on and off even if the still image looks really clear. Of course we could do away with VAR and solve the problem.

Yes please, bin it.