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The blame lies with McGhee



Yorkie

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Jul 5, 2003
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Ernest said:
The trouble is that if Falmer is built it will take a lot of filling and unless we're in Division 1/Championship we will be lucky to have 10k crowds and probably no bigger than what we are getting now.
Once the novelty of a new stadium has worn off , a 20k stadium will take a lot of filling for each game and I have no confidence in the present regime being able to do this.

We would only need 12K to break even.
 




Brighton Breezy

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12k is a lot if we are playing Yeovil.


The short memories of football fans never fails to amaze me.

Yes you could say McGhee was at fault yesterday. But he is also to 'blame' for us being promoted despite being an average team.

Cut the man some slack.
 


Croydonbloke

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Repugnant Toad said:
Put out a side with three midget strikers.

No strikers or wingers on the bench.

Takes off one of our few attacking players.

Brings on a central midfielder, and no-one knows where they're playing. Cue 10 minutes of mayhem.


The manager had an utter nightmare today.
How can you have a go at your manager when when he has only got a selected few players of any quality to choose from. Sorry, he has got his work cut out down there at Brighton and i think you have to grateful for the work he has already put in this season and ground out a few decent resuilts. Without the money and without the players he can do no more than what he is already doing. If it carries on and the fans get on his back he will walk without any questions. I think your out of order and should back your manager all the way.
 
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Yorkie

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Re: Re: The blame lies with McGhee

Croydonbloke said:
How can you have a go at your manager when when he has only got a selected few players of any quality to choose from. Sorry, he has got his work cut out down there at Brighton and i think you have to grateful for the work he has already put in this season and ground out a few decent resuilts. Without the money and without the players he can do no more than what he is already doing. If it carries on and the fans get on his back he will walk without any questions. I think your out of order and should back your manager all the way.

I agree.
I do back McGhee all the way and I am sick to death of people moaning about McGhee and Dick Knight etc.
Then I am accused of wearing rose tinted specs (hence my avatar)
 


Schrödinger's Toad

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Jan 21, 2004
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Re: Re: The blame lies with McGhee

Croydonbloke said:
How can you have a go at your manager when when he has only got a selected few players of any quality to choose from. Sorry, he has got his work cut out down there at Brighton and i think you have to grateful for the work he has already put in this season and ground out a few decent resuilts. Without the money and without the players he can do no more than what he is already doing. If it carries on and the fans get on his back he will walk without any questions. I think your out of order and should back your manager all the way.

I do back McGhee, I think he's a superb manager, and he's doing a good job. Which, as I said earlier, is why I was so suprised to see the mistakes he made against Crewe, which seemed so out of character for an astute manager like McGhee.

It's not "having a go", it's constructive criticism. The players were poor, but the manager made fundamental mistakes. He'll learn from them, I'm sure.
 




Brighton Breezy

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Repugnant Toad has it spot on.

I will back McGhee to the hilt normally but he made mistakes yesterday. He might not have much to pick from but not having a forward on the bench and playing Harding in midfield WERE mistakes.

Im not saying sack him or he is a crap manager. Everybody makes mistakes.
 


Croydonbloke

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Richie Morris said:
Repugnant Toad has it spot on.

I will back McGhee to the hilt normally but he made mistakes yesterday. He might not have much to pick from but not having a forward on the bench and playing Harding in midfield WERE mistakes.

Im not saying sack him or he is a crap manager. Everybody makes mistakes.
We all have to make mistakes from time to time. But maybe he was just trying to try something new which didn`t come off.
 


oapdodge

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Richie Morris said:
12k is a lot if we are playing Yeovil.


The short memories of football fans never fails to amaze me.

Yes you could say McGhee was at fault yesterday. But he is also to 'blame' for us being promoted despite being an average team.

Cut the man some slack.

Agree with you.However there are so many on here who can't accept that when things are so wrong as yesterday that it is not fair to have a go at McGhee.I have always and will always say that if we are beaten by a better side,who have bigger and better things going for them,that we met our match and were not expected to get anything from the game.We have over succeeded in many games all ready this season.Leicester,Forest,Leeds and McGhee has taken my plaudits.Now we have lost to Crewe not once but twice,a side who have got an average crowd less then ours,who don't have vast amounts of money,who are one of the sides we would like to finish above,have let in loads of goals all season and we lost.Now if I sing McGhees praises when he gets it right,and pulls out great results against some of these so called big clubs then he can have some of my critism when we lose,as we did yesterday.Why can't we have a little moan?
 




Beach Hut

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We have a right to criticise and it was a bit rich of McGhee to say Robinson is not ready yet he was OK to play at the Crewe away game.

He should have at least been on the bench.
 


oapdodge

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Beach Hut said:
We have a right to criticise and it was a bit rich of McGhee to say Robinson is not ready yet he was OK to play at the Crewe away game.

He should have at least been on the bench.

Heard from a very reliable source that Robinson was really shit for the Youth team.Totally not interested in the early kick off against Orient.We got beat 2-0 and didn't have a shot.Jake never got into the game.Is he getting downheaterd not being involved in the first team when they have no other forwards available and he is still being overlooked ? Will he start to think his future lies elsewhere ? If he isn't given his chance,je has tasted life in the first team,he will want more.He won't want to play at youth team level anymore.Other players if they are good enough get given the chance.
 


Beach Hut

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I can't blame him and also Molango if he's pi$$ed off.

They may not be the finished articles but they are forwards and if it's all we got then they should play.
 




Brighton Breezy

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I think we do have a right to have a little moan. Just saying that everyone makes mistakes and it does not make McGhee a shit manager overnight.
 


oapdodge

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Richie Morris said:
I think we do have a right to have a little moan. Just saying that everyone makes mistakes and it does not make McGhee a shit manager overnight.

I haven't seen,I don't think anyone has said McGhee is a shit manager.A few have said he made big mistakes in getting the result yesterday.Now that has included myself.In my opinion I believe we were justified in being critical of McGhees tactics in team selection and formation.We lost against a side we believe we should have beaten at home.
ps I think McGhee is an excellent manager and will do and has done a great deal for this club.
 


Charlies Shinpad

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Beach Hut said:
I can't blame him and also Molango if he's pi$$ed off.

They may not be the finished articles but they are forwards and if it's all we got then they should play.

The thing I cant get my head round is why give Molango a three year contract and not even give him a few games?

If he isnt that decent a forward then ;

A/ Why give him a long contract?

B/ I know you are all going to say he is one for the future,but fcuk the future we need a decent front man now!!
 




Brighton Breezy

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I think it is embarrassing to lose to Crewe at home, especially in the manner we did. I also think McGhee has his faults.

- He says it is ok to lose because he is building a young squad. That is great but at the same time he is ruining Robinson and Molango's confidence by saying they are not even good enough to get on the bench when we have one fit striker.

- Also, the day before you play someone like Crewe the manager should not be in the paper saying a draw is a good result.

- The tactics yesterday were laughable.

BUT

He is Brighton manager and has made far less mistakes then any of the players have so lets put it into perspective. Have a little moan on here and get it out of your system and dont have a slanging match with him at the game.
 


Fluffster

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McGhee isn't a man who is afraid of giving players a chance, look at Virgo, Harding, Hinshelwood, Hammond etc... If he says that Jake isn't ready, and he's seen him play a lot more than any of us then I trust his judgement.
 


oapdodge said:
Why can't we have a little moan?

Errr....who's stopping you? There was a bloke called, I think, Colin, on the phone-in on Saturday who spent most of his time criticising McGhee. I didn't agree with everything he said, but he made intelligent and perceptive point after point, and it was worth listening to - good stuff.

Then you got all the other spanners who came on afterwards who might as well just farted down the phone to let off steam given the utter poverty of their contributions. At least listening to farts can be funny sometimes, so listeners might have got something out of that at least.

No one questions people's right to criticise McGhee, it's the WAY you do it that's important. Too many people take a pop at McGhee just to let off steam without having thought of anything worthwhile to say. Listening to that time and time again just gets SO TEDIOUS.
 
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Yorkie

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We always lose to Crewe

Last time we beat Crewe was 1969
 




Brighton Breezy

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Yorkie said:
We always lose to Crewe

Last time we beat Crewe was 1969

I know you are trying to remain upbeat but that really is no excuse.

If we want to stay up we HAVE to beat teams like Crewe. Especially at home. Yesterday was a disaster.

Remember Stoke and Grimsby at home last time? Everyone said 'its ok, there are plenty of games left to catch up'. The fact is you only play these teams twice and must pick up points against them whether you play them on the first game of the season or the last.
 


Charlies Shinpad

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Yorkie said:
We always lose to Crewe

Last time we beat Crewe was 1969

The point is Yorkie as people have posted in another Thread we should be beating teams like Crewe as they are one of the so called easier games,and if we cant pick up points against teams like these it makes it a lot harder for us to beat better opposition.

At the end of the day it is MMs job to pick the right team and have the right tactics in place for us to obtain these valuable points,and yesterday as well as to a point last saturday he failed in his job.

When you fail to carry out your job at work correctly you will be cautioned,criticised or whatever,so it is the same on here,we pay our money to see him get his job right and he failed,so we are entitled to have a go at him.
 


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