[Cricket] The Ashes 2015 ***OFFICIAL SERIES THREAD***

[Papa Lazarou]

Tredwell would be an awful choice, I thought we'd put the days of safe, negative cricket behind us when we got rid of Moores??

Yep - Rashid needs to be given his chance. with the extra seamer there's some cover if it doesn't work, and if it's really turning we've got Root who can also have a go.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Oh great, that means Harris is the back-up bowler - the guy who caused most of the trouble last time the Aussies were here. I'm strangely not comforted by the thought that Rhino is not good enough to get into this side

Is his nickname not Ryano!?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Tredwell would be an awful choice, I thought we'd put the days of safe, negative cricket behind us when we got rid of Moores??

What Tredwell reflects is how bare the cupboard is for spinners.

People are raving about Rashid for the ODI's, but in proper cricket can he hold an end up in the first innings? From what I have seen in County Cricket, I doubt it. His time will come in the UAE when England will need to play 2 spinners.

England are going to need a spinner to bowl 20 / 30 overs in an innings, at 3 an over, whilst the 4 seamers rotate at the other end. Ali is not going to do that, not his fault, but at present his bowling is not there. So then it is a case of looking into the County game. Riley is not playing nor is Patel at Middlesex. So it comes down to the experienced heads and Tredwell is probably the best bet. Also his one test in the Windies was actually not a disaster.

I am sure you will take the sensationalist clap trap you always do, but with the current England set up of 4 quicks, they can play a defensive spinner.

 

[Braggfan]

I know Tredwell isn't everyone's favourite, but we don't have lots of spin options. He's had a couple of decent tests for England so far, albeit against poorer opposition, but I think he can tie up an end and keep the score down. Which might be just what we need against an agressive Australian attack. A large part of our success a few years ago was having bowlers who were economical when Broad and Anderson weren't bowling, and it frustrated teams into trying to go after the better bowlers who then took their wickets.

 

[crodonilson]

What Tredwell reflects is how bare the cupboard is for spinners.

People are raving about Rashid for the ODI's, but in proper cricket can he hold an end up in the first innings? From what I have seen in County Cricket, I doubt it. His time will come in the UAE when England will need to play 2 spinners.

England are going to need a spinner to bowl 20 / 30 overs in an innings, at 3 an over, whilst the 4 seamers rotate at the other end. Ali is not going to do that, not his fault, but at present his bowling is not there. So then it is a case of looking into the County game. Riley is not playing nor is Patel at Middlesex. So it comes down to the experienced heads and Tredwell is probably the best bet. Also his one test in the Windies was actually not a disaster.

I am sure you will take the sensationalist clap trap you always do, but with the current England set up of 4 quicks, they can play a defensive spinner.

What makes you think Tredwell can hold up an end? I think the Aussies will still go after him, he's not a threat to their wicket. Moeen bowls more poor balls but is more likely to get a wicket and is far superior with the bat.

There's some sensationalist claptrap for you.

I agree wholeheartedly though, I can't remember the spin department being this grim since the days of Peter Such.

 

[big nuts]

What makes you think Tredwell can hold up an end? I think the Aussies will still go after him, he's not a threat to their wicket. Moeen bowls more poor balls but is more likely to get a wicket and is far superior with the bat.

There's some sensationalist claptrap for you.

I agree wholeheartedly though, I can't remember the spin department being this grim since the days of Peter Such.

I see your Peter Such and raise you Min Patel.

 

[Gwylan]

I can't remember the spin department being this grim since the days of Peter Such.

Such wasn't too bad. He only played 11 tests and twice did a Michelle. He had a better test bowling average than Tufnell, Giles, Panesar, Croft, Udal, Schofield, Childs and, of course, Patel

 

[knocky1]

I see your Peter Such and raise you Min Patel.

I'll raise you with Simon Kerrigan.

 

[ali jenkins]

Has anyone just watched/listened to the BBC thing they just did about the '05 Ashes? They filmed it for the Red Button and also played it on the radio. Well worth a catch up if you have a spare couple of hours.

 

[big nuts]

I'll raise you with Simon Kerrigan.

I'll raise you Gavin Hamilton.

Not sure if that's a raise but it's definitely close!

 

[Eeyore]

You want to drop someone average over 52 in test match cricket for a one day specialist who at no stage has ever looked comfortable in test cricket and possesses major technical flaws outside of his off stump in the longer form of the game.

Ballance will play the first two matches minimum and his place quite rightly will come under scrutiny if his low scores were to coincide with other batsman hitting form in county cricket.

I'm with this.

 

[Eeyore]

What makes you think Tredwell can hold up an end? I think the Aussies will still go after him, he's not a threat to their wicket. Moeen bowls more poor balls but is more likely to get a wicket and is far superior with the bat.

There's some sensationalist claptrap for you.

I agree wholeheartedly though, I can't remember the spin department being this grim since the days of Peter Such.

I must take issue with thee.

Peter Such played a number of his tests against Australia and took two 5fers. His economy rate is especially surprising for any English spinner, given the rampant nature of the opposition. He is our second most successful spinner of the last twenty or so years (although he only played in 11 tests).

 

[Hampster Gull]

We will win

 

[Bold Seagull]

I must take issue with thee.

Peter Such played a number of his tests against Australia and took two 5fers. His economy rate is especially surprising for any English spinner, given the rampant nature of the opposition. He is our second most successful spinner of the last twenty or so years (although he only played in 11 tests).

I can't really remember, but was the reason for his lack of tests due to John Embury's extended career, or just a late bloomer? I do remember him being a Henry Blofeld favourite!

 

[big nuts]

I can't really remember, but was the reason for his lack of tests due to John Embury's extended career, or just a late bloomer? I do remember him being a Henry Blofeld favourite!

I remember him taking 6-64 (I think) on his debut at Old Trafford the same match as the Warne ball of the century to Gatting.

I think a mixture of Emburey & Tufnell kept him out of the side for the most part.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I can't really remember, but was the reason for his lack of tests due to John Embury's extended career, or just a late bloomer? I do remember him being a Henry Blofeld favourite!

I guess he played when Tufnell was suspended or otherwise out of favour.

 

[knocky1]

I'll raise you Gavin Hamilton.

Not sure if that's a raise but it's definitely close!

Gavin wins on best English test failure so far and potential for a film to be made. Wasn't he a seamer though? I thought we were producing spinners? If not I will play Alan Mullaly a worse no 11 than Phil Tufnell.

 

[big nuts]

Gavin wins on best English test failure so far and potential for a film to be made. Wasn't he a seamer though? I thought we were producing spinners? If not I will play Alan Mullaly a worse no 11 than Phil Tufnell.

No definitely a spinner. If we were talking seamers I would have put in Igglesden, Illot or McCague

 

[hans kraay fan club]

No definitely a spinner. If we were talking seamers I would have put in Igglesden, Illot or McCague

Hamilton was 100% a seamer.

 

[knocky1]

No definitely a spinner. If we were talking seamers I would have put in Igglesden, Illot or McCague

I"ll raise you. My only doubt is whether he did a Tony Greig and had a few spells of off spin here and there but not in his only test, I' m sure.