Team Wilshere vs Team Pietersen

[brakespear]

you should have grown up here at the very least to represent england or great britain.

Much as I might say I thought it would never happen , but I think I agree with bushy. Just don't agree with the 'five years and then you qualify' stuff at all and cricket in paricular seems a right bloody mess when it comes to who qualifies for where.

 

[beorhthelm]

Just to throw a question into the debate, which is actually relevant to my university course.

If I had 2 French parents, but were born and bought up in England; am I English by birth or naturalisation?

if birth has been registered in UK (which it must with in so many weeks), you'd be English/British. Naturalisation is a process by which they mean you've been in the country long enough, would apply if you where born in France then came over as an infant. as far i a can work out its complicated, there is a lack of clear rules in the UK as we dont have formal "citizenship" like most nations, it sort of comes down to how and what institutions interact with you over the years. the rule of thumb im told (from HR perspective that ive learnt this), if you have an NI number issued, your British.

 

[crodonilson]

I think it is more the clumsy ham-fisted way he is dealing with a very sensitive subject which is getting him pillaried. It is no different on here, you make comment and your have to expect a reaction. It's life.

True but the media storm over this is quite ridiculous, he's 21, I had some opinions at 21 that when challenged on I doubt I'd be able to back up. Next time no doubt he'll say nothing and then people will moan that players never express a personal opinion and only tow their club/countrys official line on any matters.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I think it is more the clumsy ham-fisted way he is dealing with a very sensitive subject which is getting him pillaried. It is no different on here, you make comment and your have to expect a reaction. It's life.

It's completely different for SO many reasons.

1 - People aren't hanging on your every word. It won't go to the national media.
2 - You have the option to pre-write a response, read it back, make a decision as to whether that's what you want to post and only THEN you are expressing the view which can still be deleted or edited before it is read.

I couldn't be MUCH more different to sitting in front of the national press to talk about FOOTBALL and being asked a question about NATIONAL IDENTITY and then being expected to tick all the pr boxes there and then without a SINGLE issue being raised from a quite dangerous question.

It can't be compared.

 

[cunning fergus]

I think it is more the clumsy ham-fisted way he is dealing with a very sensitive subject which is getting him pillaried. It is no different on here, you make comment and your have to expect a reaction. It's life.

Indeed, however I would have though you could extend some sympathy for a man that had spent his entire school life being "educated" under the last Labour Government? They extolled education, education, education as their mantra, but now we can clearly appreciate that not only did they wreck the economy they have created a generation of imbeciles who cannot carry out basic numeracy or articulate their views in their mother tongue coherently. Poor old Jack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

I guess the plus side of this systematic failure is that as the English football team swells its ranks with the great unwashed from the four corners of the earth the homegrown olde English will be able to communicate with their ersatz English counterparts on (and off) the pitch.

Makes you wonder if that was Labour's policy all along?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I guess the plus side of this systematic failure is that as the English football team swells its ranks with the great unwashed from the four corners of the earth the homegrown olde English will be able to communicate with their ersatz English counterparts on (and off) the pitch.

Makes you wonder if that was Labour's policy all along?

I like this sort of post. It reminds me of my grandad mumbling about how he could cook porridge in the kettle when he was begininng to lose his marbles.

 

[spring hall convert]

I like this sort of post. It reminds me of my grandad mumbling about how he could cook porridge in the kettle when he was begininng to lose his marbles.

I really liked it as well, it's a completely non sequitur rant. Keep up the good work.

 

[keaton]

Indeed, however I would have though you could extend some sympathy for a man that had spent his entire school life being "educated" under the last Labour Government? They extolled education, education, education as their mantra, but now we can clearly appreciate that not only did they wreck the economy they have created a generation of imbeciles who cannot carry out basic numeracy or articulate their views in their mother tongue coherently. Poor old Jack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24433320

I guess the plus side of this systematic failure is that as the English football team swells its ranks with the great unwashed from the four corners of the earth the homegrown olde English will be able to communicate with their ersatz English counterparts on (and off) the pitch.

Makes you wonder if that was Labour's policy all along?

Harold Shipman was educated under a Conservative government. You'd rather have a mass murderer than a footballer of limited intelligence? Jesus you're sick

 

[stripeyshark]

You should become aligned with one country at the age of 10. That would end it all. Playing for your country is about pride and passion, not "giving yourself a chance at the World Cup" or choosing countries like clubs.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Going back to Januzaj, it does seem wrong that he can play for England having come here at 16 having already been taught his trade in Belgium.

Unlike Pietersen, Januzay has no English blood and no English upbringing of any sort. Even Zola Budd had a British grandfather.

It is ironic that if he DOES end up playing for England the loser could be Zaha.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Why would you want to play for a load of shite English cloggers when you could be playing the opposite side to Hazard with Lukaku in the middle.

Also I don't understand why Wilshere is being given a hard time about providing a pretty non contreversial opinion about who should or should not be allowed to play for a country. I mean really?? I would consider myself a pretty big hand wringing lefty but I just don't understand what he's said thats wrong.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Why would you want to play for a load of shite English cloggers when you could be playing the opposite side to Hazard with Lukaku in the middle.

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Off the top of my head:

Mignolet / Cortois

Vermaelen, Kompany, Vertongen

Hazard, De Bruyne, Witsel, Fellaini, Mirallas, (Januzaj)

Lukaku, Dembele, Benteke

They are going to be a FORCE, make no mistake.

 

[keaton]

Off the top of my head:

Mignolet / Cortois

Vermaelen, Kompany, Vertongen

Hazard, De Bruyne, Witsel, Fellaini, Mirallas, (Januzaj)

Lukaku, Dembele, Benteke

They are going to be a FORCE, make no mistake.

And Chadli. You can argueably make a better of Belgians in the PL than you can of English players

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

And Chadli. You can argueably make a better of Belgians in the PL than you can of English players

Dembele is a midfielder.

And there's no argument in mind the an XI of.

Courtois
LB Vermelaen Kompany RB
Hazard Dembele Fellaini Chadli
Benteke Lukaku

Is comfortably better then an England XI the only are they lack in is full backs.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Dembele is a midfielder.

And there's no argument in mind the an XI of.

Courtois
LB Vermelaen Kompany RB
Hazard Dembele Fellaini Chadli
Benteke Lukaku

Is comfortably better then an England XI the only are they lack in is full backs.

Vertongen playes full back for the national team, I think.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

A few more belgians to put us to shame:

Alderweireld
Van Buyten
Defour

Basically when all these chaps were around 10-13 and at a key stage of their development, Belgium had a current national team of THIS bunch of DURGE.

Group B[edit]Belgium[edit]Head coach: Robert Waseige

No. Pos. Player DoB/Age Caps Club
1 1GK Filip De Wilde (1964-07-05)5 July 1964 (aged 35) 31 Anderlecht
2 2DF Eric Deflandre (1973-08-02)2 August 1973 (aged 26) 22 Club Brugge
3 2DF Joos Valgaeren (1976-03-03)3 March 1976 (aged 24) 4 Roda JC
4 2DF Lorenzo Staelens (c) (1964-04-30)30 April 1964 (aged 36) 69 Anderlecht
5 3MF Philippe Clement (1974-03-22)22 March 1974 (aged 26) 11 Club Brugge
6 3MF Yves Vanderhaeghe (1970-01-30)30 January 1970 (aged 30) 13 Mouscron
7 3MF Marc Wilmots (1969-02-22)22 February 1969 (aged 31) 47 Schalke 04
8 3MF Bart Goor (1973-04-09)9 April 1973 (aged 27) 17 Anderlecht
9 4FW Émile Mpenza (1978-07-04)4 July 1978 (aged 21) 23 Schalke 04
10 4FW Branko Strupar (1970-02-09)9 February 1970 (aged 30) 9 Derby County
11 4FW Gert Verheyen (1970-09-20)20 September 1970 (aged 29) 30 Club Brugge
12 1GK Geert De Vlieger (1971-10-16)16 October 1971 (aged 28) 7 Willem II
13 1GK Frédéric Herpoel (1974-08-16)16 August 1974 (aged 25) 1 Gent
14 3MF Johan Walem (1972-02-01)1 February 1972 (aged 28) 20 Parma
15 2DF Jacky Peeters (1969-12-13)13 December 1969 (aged 30) 6 Arminia Bielefeld
16 4FW Luc Nilis (1967-05-25)25 May 1967 (aged 33) 54 PSV
17 2DF Philippe Léonard (1974-02-12)12 February 1974 (aged 26) 18 Monaco
18 3MF Nico Van Kerckhoven (1970-12-14)14 December 1970 (aged 29) 24 Schalke 04
19 2DF Eric Van Meir (1968-02-28)28 February 1968 (aged 32) 17 Lierse
20 4FW Gilles De Bilde (1971-06-09)9 June 1971 (aged 29) 22 Sheffield Wednesday
21 4FW Mbo Mpenza (1976-12-04)4 December 1976 (aged 23) 18 Sporting CP
22 2DF Marc Hendrikx (1974-07-02)2 July 1974 (aged 25) 8 Racing Genk

Obviously there's some fortune in getting a great group at once, but it can't be all luck that their youth development shot through the roof around 2000 when they had this sorry lot for a national team.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Ah anyway they have an embarrassment of great players for such a small nation and the real question should be are they just lucky or doing something we aren't??

 

[Bigbelly]

You should only play for England if you was born here. Why did kevin play cricket here instead of south Africa? Because he couldn't handle the fact that black people needed to be included whether they were good or not. Quoter. I'm in the English camp. Born here and good enough then play.

can see it down the line we'll have 12 players from bongo gongo land playing for us.

 

[Chesney Christ]

I have a massive issue with zaha playing for england, he couldnt decide between ivory coast and england, if england isnt an immediate first choice then f*ck off and play for whoever has put you in the quandary.

Drivel.

 

[Chesney Christ]

In a word yes. It's insulting to be frank, people who turned up here as a refugee and owe everything to this country suddenly deciding they owe allegiance to whichever godforsaken sh1thole they escaped here from.

Keep reading The Daily Mail, you knuckle-dragging cretin.