Student protest at the Uni

[El Presidente]

I have told my students I will text them their results unofficially, but I won't give them back to the Uni.

The dispute will be resolved eventually, when the Unions and Management get their heads from out of their own arses.

 

[Les Biehn]

seeing you probably do.
Its called Professionalism, doing your job regardless of personal prejudices, thats discriminating against people because of race, sex or beleifs etc.

What would the world be like if everyone took that attitude? How can you critisise people with prejudices when you wear yours on your sleave?


There is also a big difference between holding a prejudice and acting on it.
One that puts you in the same camp as Combat 18 rather than the BNP.

What in f*** sticks name are you talking about. I work for the media services, it is not part of my job to compile incriminating evidence of people I may agree with. I would be doing it by choice, therefore my beliefs do have a baring.

So you think that Nazi officers who disobeyed orders because they didn't want to kill Jews were unprofessional?

 

[CHAPPERS]

I have told my students I will text them their results unofficially, but I won't give them back to the Uni.

The dispute will be resolved eventually, when the Unions and Management get their heads from out of their own arses.

The only clash that is pissing us off is where we don't know whether academic staff are taking action or not. Of course they are instructed not to tell us but the strain this puts on admin staff should not be ignored.

 

[Les Biehn]

I have told my students I will text them their results unofficially, but I won't give them back to the Uni.

The dispute will be resolved eventually, when the Unions and Management get their heads from out of their own arses.

Which Uni do you Lecture at El Pres?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I have told my students I will text them their results unofficially, but I won't give them back to the Uni.

The dispute will be resolved eventually, when the Unions and Management get their heads from out of their own arses.

And in the mean time it's the students that suffer ! Unfortunately the lecturers, unions and management don't seem to give a toss about the students, who after all, are actually their customers.

There's two things that puzzle me -

- why there always seems to be some dispute between the lecturers and their employers. There was nearly twenty years ago when I was at Poly and there always seems to have been since ?

- considering these lecturers are apparently some top academic people, why they can't think of something more imaginative to make their point than striking or refusing to hand over marks ?

The whole thing stinks and if I were still a student I would be making my feelings very well known to my lecturers if they were affecting my studies !!!!

 

[El Presidente]

And in the mean time it's the students that suffer ! Unfortunately the lecturers, unions and management don't seem to give a toss about the students, who after all, are actually their customers.

There's two things that puzzle me -

- why there always seems to be some dispute between the lecturers and their employers. There was nearly twenty years ago when I was at Poly and there always seems to have been since ?

- considering these lecturers are apparently some top academic people, why they can't think of something more imaginative to make their point than striking or refusing to hand over marks ?

The whole thing stinks and if I were still a student I would be making my feelings very well known to my lecturers if they were affecting my studies !!!!

The dispute is that Uni salaries have apparently only risen by 3% in real terms over the last 20 years (though where these figures come from is open to question). Now that there is about another £6bn coming into the uni sector, the unions have asked for a third for pay, a third for improving research and a third for improving conditions for students.

I agree with you that the students can potentially suffer, but there are good and bad lecturers, just as there are good and bad plumbers, doctors and lap dancers (don't ask for Chelsea as The Fantasy Bar in Manchester for example, she is bobbins, I have seen more eroticism in a housebrick)

 

[desprateseagull]

any damage is still damage, regardless of what they are proesting about.

 

[El Presidente]

The only clash that is pissing us off is where we don't know whether academic staff are taking action or not. Of course they are instructed not to tell us but the strain this puts on admin staff should not be ignored.

They should tell you unofficially unless they are MOWTCHOPS. After all, we are all fellow staff members.

 

[CHAPPERS]

El Pres - the 6bn is coming in the form of tuition fees eh? Why do academics think they are entitled to it? Shoudl they get pay rises every time fees rise? Surely that means fees and goign to get higher and higher and soon enough there won't be any students to teach and a lot of academics will be out of jobs. I find it interesting that academics are going through this action but admin aren't.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

lap dancers (don't ask for Chelsea as The Fantasy Bar in Manchester for example, she is bobbins, I have seen more eroticism in a housebrick)

I'm usually too drunk to notice by the time I get to a lap dance club !! That said there used to be a great Russian one at Pussycats ( well she spoke with a Russian accent ! )

 

[CHAPPERS]

They should tell you unofficially unless they are MOWTCHOPS. After all, we are all fellow staff members.

Yeah, the only way we're finding out if they are going to give marks in is if they don't invigilate the exams that they are meant to.

 

[butchy]

are the protests at brighton or sussex? up here in manc we had a days strike from the lecturers last month and ive heard of dissertations not being marked too however the prospect that i may not have to sit any first-year exams this year due to lack of markers is not dampening my spirit!

 

[CHAPPERS]

The lecturers rejected a 12.6% offer last time.

Here's a quote from teh statement that I just recieved..

''Information gathered from Schools indicates that the vast majority of students who would expect to complete their courses this summer will be able to take their examinations. A very small number of final year examinations have not been set and this could have an impact upon the timing of the graduation of the students affected. The situation of such students will be considered on an individual basis when it is clear who they are.

Most Schools – though not all - expect that the boycott on marking and the forwarding of marks to examination boards will have an impact upon a significant number of students unless there is a resolution of the dispute within the next few weeks. However, where marks are available and examination boards can be constituted appropriately to take secure decisions, academic awards will be agreed in the normal way and students will be able to graduate and receive documented recognition of their awards. ''

Basically awards will be given whether they have the marks or not based on previous performance.

Edit: It seems they are asking for 25% and believe that they were offered this figure during a recent round of negotiations.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

OI CHAPPERS



do you work with LIZ or not

liz BALLANTYNE

 

[CHAPPERS]

I work for Brighton uni...

 

[Les Biehn]

Oh El Prez Which Uni you lecture at?

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

sorry mowty


thought you worked for susSEX

 

[Le Premier Cru]

El Pres - the 6bn is coming in the form of tuition fees eh? Why do academics think they are entitled to it?

Maybe because, in order to persuade enough MPs to vote the legislation through the House, academics were PROMISED the money. Now that the top-up fee legislation is on the books, and the money's going to arrive, the employers are reneging on the promise.

That and the admitted erosion of salaries compared with those outside higher education of 40% over the last 20 years. Even Blair recognises that there's a problem with HE remuneration.

...and the introduction of top-up fees is an opportunity to address the problem that will NEVER (indeed CAN never) come again.

The last twenty years has shown that, short of industrial action, nothing makes a difference and the erosion continues. It is for this reason that the NUS (both locally and nationally) are solidly behind the AUT (and NATFHE at Brighton Uni) action.

The decisions made by individual academics are tough ones and to suggest that they don't care for students is so far wide of the mark it renders me speechless.

Rant over.

 

[Le Premier Cru]

I work at Sussex.

 

[CHAPPERS]

The decisions made by individual academics are tough ones and to suggest that they don't care for students is so far wide of the mark it renders me speechless.

There are always going to be clashes as long as this goes on. Admin staff are just bemused as to why the academics are following this course of action and Unison are not.