Stuart Hall's barrister in a league of her own.

[Simster]

You don't think the US should set the age of consent at 18, and you said "I never really understand this ridiculous idea that "sex and violence" should be handled in the same way."

How are they being handled in the same way?

Both are regarded as if they should only be visible and exposed to adults. However, it is perfectly normal and natural for kids to want to have sex as soon as they hit puberty. And what harm are they doing if they do it safely anyway?

For me, there is a much greater need to control exposure to violence in film (or in real life) until a much later (adult) age.

 

[Triggaaar]

If they're going to change the law, I don't think there should be one set age.

Say they do change it so that the age of consent is 13, so do lock up a 14 year-old boy for having sex with a 13 year old girl? They might even be in the same year at school. In their minds, they are the same age.

You'd need something complicated like:

14 year olds - not anyone younger than 12 or older than 15.
15 year olds - not anyone younger than 13 or older than 17.
16 year olds - not anyone younger than 14 or older than 19.
17 year olds - not anyone younger than 15 or older than 21.
18 year olds - not anyone younger than 16.

For example

As mental as that is, I like it. What is the law right now if a boy, on his 16th birthday, has sex with a girl the day before her 16th birthday (dad finds out, not happy, police called, dad ensures charges are brought)?

Both are regarded as if they should only be visible and exposed to adults. However, it is perfectly normal and natural for kids to want to have sex as soon as they hit puberty. And what harm are they doing if they do it safely anyway?

For me, there is a much greater need to control exposure to violence in film (or in real life) until a much later (adult) age.

Ah, you were talking about 18 rated films etc, got it.

 

[smeariestbat]

what i find odd, is that at 16 you can have sex, but it is illegal to buy porn.

also say an adventurous 16 yo couple decide to make a sex tape, if they watch it, are they breaking the law?

 

[Bakero]

If they're going to change the law, I don't think there should be one set age.

Say they do change it so that the age of consent is 13, so do lock up a 14 year-old boy for having sex with a 13 year old girl? They might even be in the same year at school. In their minds, they are the same age.

You'd need something complicated like:

14 year olds - not anyone younger than 12 or older than 15.
15 year olds - not anyone younger than 13 or older than 17.
16 year olds - not anyone younger than 14 or older than 19.
17 year olds - not anyone younger than 15 or older than 21.
18 year olds - not anyone younger than 16.

For example

So they should probably keep the law the same to save confusion.

I think Canada have a staggered age of consent.

 

[colinz]

I thought Stuart Hall was being charged for rape, age should be irrelevant if it was none consensual, age can be a factor if he is found not guilty, but I also read some where that he has pleaded guilty.

 

[SeagullSongs]

I think Canada have a staggered age of consent.

Just googled it. Makes perfect sense really:



For exploitative sexual activity (prostitution or pornography, or where there is a relationship of trust, authority or dependency), the age of consent is 18 years.

The spirit of the new legislation is not to regulate consensual teenage sexual activity. To this effect, there are a few notable exceptions to the law:

1. Youth 12 or 13 years of age can consent to nonexploitative sexual activity with peers when the age difference is no more than two years. For example, a 12-year-old child is deemed capable of consenting to sexual activity with a 14-year-old, but not a 15-year-old.
2. Youth 14 or 15 years of age can consent to nonexploitative sexual activity when the age difference is no more than five years. For example, a 15-year-old can consent to having sexual intercourse with a 20-year-old, but not with a 21-year-old.

Children younger than 12 years of age can never consent to sexual activity with anyone, of any age, regardless of whether they say they do.

As before, all nonconsensual sexual activity, regardless of age, constitutes a sexual assault.

 

[SeagullSongs]

I thought Stuart Hall was being charged for rape, age should be irrelevant if it was none consensual, age can be a factor if he is found not guilty, but I also read some where that he has pleaded guilty.

I'd imagine (and hope) that raping a child carries a longer sentence than raping someone of legal age.

Should be 20+ years for rape and a life sentence for raping a child.

 

[albion534]

Gotta give his barrister credit! Trying to get dirty old men off future charges, and keeping a straight face

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

what i find odd, is that at 16 you can have sex, but it is illegal to buy porn.

also say an adventurous 16 yo couple decide to make a sex tape, if they watch it, are they breaking the law?

A ha, a clever way for 16 year olds to circumvent the 'buying porn' law.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think Canada have a staggered age of consent.

I'm staggered by Mexico's age of concent.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Whoah!!!! Yes some 13 year olds have sex with those of similar age and if they do I can live with that but do I want society to condone that NO! Because then well start talking about 11 year olds and when that becomes acceptable then where will it go.

Thelaw is age of consent.... it is not consent to who and what age are they?

 

[Twizzle]

That's a bold claim. What do you mean by loads?

Not bol exactly, or a claim. It's often the case when a homosexual is asked when they first knew they were gay, the response is "I was 13 or 14. We were in love and he was much older, so he taught me to be comfortable about it" and stuff like that. Actually the same goes for some pre-legal girls, though perhaps it doesn't determine their prefrence so distinctly(?) Either way it is 'grooming' and it is done by a nonce who gains the trust of a child - a child at the finding-out period of their own sexual curiosity.
I know one gay lad and he told me his discovery was this way. George Michael may be a confirmed gay man but his account is similar.

Nonces have victims, and those children have to face a future and have their experiences make sense to them.
It's a fact of their lives that they somehow reconcile, with sexuality (often cause for guilt and confusion). Nonces can use that, which makes their behavior all the more reprehensible and their knowing grooming deserving of harsh punishments. Priests and celebs are not to be sympathized with or understood - no margins given by society or governing body! (so as to speak)

 

[Sussex Nomad]

... in the US the age line is at 18

Incorrect, in the US it is left to each state to make the law regarding age of consent.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not bol exactly, or a claim. It's often the case when a homosexual is asked when they first knew they were gay, the response is "I was 13 or 14. We were in love and he was much older, so he taught me to be comfortable about it" and stuff like that. Actually the same goes for some pre-legal girls, though perhaps it doesn't determine their prefrence so distinctly(?) Either way it is 'grooming' and it is done by a nonce who gains the trust of a child - a child at the finding-out period of their own sexual curiosity.
I know one gay lad and he told me his discovery was this way. George Michael may be a confirmed gay man but his account is similar.

Nonces have victims, and those children have to face a future and have their experiences make sense to them.
It's a fact of their lives that they somehow reconcile, with sexuality (often cause for guilt and confusion). Nonces can use that, which makes their behavior all the more reprehensible and their knowing grooming deserving of harsh punishments. Priests and celebs are not to be sympathized with or understood - no margins given by society or governing body! (so as to speak)

So what you're saying is that your theory is based on one friend and a story about George Michael?

 

[SeagullSongs]

what i find odd, is that at 16 you can have sex, but it is illegal to buy porn.

also say an adventurous 16 yo couple decide to make a sex tape, if they watch it, are they breaking the law?

A ha, a clever way for 16 year olds to circumvent the 'buying porn' law.

Would it not be illegal for 16 year olds to make said sex tape in the first place?

 

[Twizzle]

Just a small note: the porn star Traci Lords was 13 when starring in hardcore movies.
She only actually made one or two films after reaching 18 - by which time the feds had cottoned on and went after anyone involved in her career!
That just about ruined the industry for many,and began new standards in that profession.
A bit late!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Would it not be illegal for 16 year olds to make said sex tape in the first place?

No idea. I must admit I am not well versed in this area. I'm a little hesitant to Google it as well.

 

[SeagullSongs]

No idea. I must admit I am not well versed in this area. I'm a little hesitant to Google it as well.

I can understand your hesitancy

 

[Twizzle]

So what you're saying is that your theory is based on one friend and a story about George Michael?

And many others. Try consideration or research - does this seem outlandish to you or can you suggest other means of sexual discovery they may have found?
I suggest that paedophilia as laid down by law is quite common.
I won't ask how many of NSC at say.. 17, had 15yearold partners, as that is a bit of a tough one to frown upon imo.

At 15 I had a 19yearold girlfriend and thought myself mature and her an exotic choice - to prove the lack of maturity though, I finished with her because she lived in faraway....Lewes!
doh

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

And many others. Try consideration or research - does this seem outlandish to you or can you suggest other means of sexual discovery they may have found?
I suggest that paedophilia as laid down by law is quite common.
I won't ask how many of NSC at say.. 17, had 15yearold partners, as that is a bit of a tough one to frown upon imo.

I'm sure there are many means of sexual discovery. I'm just not totally clear what your message is and a bit puzzled by you bringing homosexuality into the discussion, this is all.