Strong words at the Turner prize last night

[Herr Tubthumper]

Jude Law and the winner Elizabeth Price laid into Gove and his utterly ridiculous idea to move away from art, design and creative subjects with his baccalaureate proposal. These are three area we do bloody well in the UK, directly and indirectly they create billions of income and it feeds into so many areas we could and should be doing well like manufacturing and engineering as well as tech based industry and the sciences. Seems the Tories won't be happy until all we do is provide crap financial services and have an economy highly dependent on high street sales. f***ing utter madness and so short sighted.

 

[The Large One]

It's not only what they learn - it's how he intends for them to learn it that's causing concerns, even among his advisors...

BBC News - Cultural literacy: Michael Goves school of hard facts

 

[Don Quixote]

He is ruining the educational system of this country, setting it back years, the sooner this government is gone the better.

 

[glasfryn]

Two things I would like to say here with reference to the BBC article it states that Robert Tressell's book "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" is an early Labour movement text....something I will disagree with socialist yes Labour no .....not these days anyway.
And the second thing is I wonder if Mr Gove knows that in Wales children are not taught English until they are 7(seven)and that the education system there is abysmal some schools teaching in Welsh and some in English.
He should look at the advert board in the Asda in Llanelli the English is worse than Pigeon

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

The educational system in this country was ruined by the abolishing of the Tripartite System (IMO)

 

[Mr Banana]

Think all concerned might have been more restrained if it hadn't come in such an abysmal week of cuts. The council in Newcastle has just cut its arts provision by 100% and its museum budget by 50%. Anyone who's been up there knows that culture has essentially replaced industry in keeping the city going, so it's an incredible decision. I think leaders feel they have a responsibility to speak out on behalf of the generations it will affect, who don't have a voice and definitely won't under this government's trajectory.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's not only what they learn - it's how he intends for them to learn it that's causing concerns, even among his advisors...

BBC News - Cultural literacy: Michael Goves school of hard facts

Cultural Literacy - bloody hell. Facts, facts, facts (or what the government wants children to know) with no skills to investigate the reasons behind the facts. Learn a poem by heart, know the dates of all the Kings and Queens, be able to recite your times tables - hey presto - a fully developed and well rounded individual. If the conversation is about comparative lengths of reigns of our monarchs, nobody will be embarrassed.

Except that the skills needed to apply the knowledge, to develop individuality and creativity, are being excised from the curriculum by an idealogue who wants to return us to Victorian values where there is a place for everyone, and everyone knows their place.

A skills based curriculum provides a broad and balanced learning platform that gives children the opportunity to broaden their understanding, develop their talents and crucially, to from their own beliefs, question what is put to them and apply the skills they learn in an imaginative and creative way. Gove seems to think that 'one size fits all', and is suspicious of educational styles that he does not understand, and feels are subversive.

I work as a teacher in a school where we have worked hard to design an exciting, innovative and relevant skills based curriculum. We won't be giving this up without a fight.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Michael Gove is an expenses cheat.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Cultural Literacy - bloody hell. Facts, facts, facts (or what the government wants children to know) with no skills to investigate the reasons behind the facts. Learn a poem by heart, know the dates of all the Kings and Queens, be able to recite your times tables - hey presto - a fully developed and well rounded individual. If the conversation is about comparative lengths of reigns of our monarchs, nobody will be embarrassed.

Except that the skills needed to apply the knowledge, to develop individuality and creativity, are being excised from the curriculum by an idealogue who wants to return us to Victorian values where there is a place for everyone, and everyone knows their place.

A skills based curriculum provides a broad and balanced learning platform that gives children the opportunity to broaden their understanding, develop their talents and crucially, to from their own beliefs, question what is put to them and apply the skills they learn in an imaginative and creative way. Gove seems to think that 'one size fits all', and is suspicious of educational styles that he does not understand, and feels are subversive.

I work as a teacher in a school where we have worked hard to design an exciting, innovative and relevant skills based curriculum. We won't be giving this up without a fight.

Exactly what I heard from an exceptional History teacher who is leaving the profession. Someone who made their subject interesting and relevant while encouraging his pupils to enjoy learning and to look around them. Fight hard my friend.

 

[GreersElbow]

I don't understand how a Government (of any ideology) believes it knows best on how to educate children.

Teachers really should be in charge of deciding what to concentrate on, geography (not the lesson) has a huge impact on education, children from disadvantaged backgrounds should concentrate more on skills such as English, Maths and Sciences. These are the skills they're going to need to get into higher education, and children who display creativity be given the opportunity to take on those courses once they prove they can provide a high standard of the 3 basic skills of English, Maths and Sciences.

Areas where GCSE results are higher should have greater freedom in choice of courses, as they are least likely to fail these courses.

Children from the South traditionally do better than those in the north, this is recognised by both teachers and sociologists. The teachers should be the ones deciding what's best for students. Not bureaucrats or politicians...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Exactly what I heard from an exceptional History teacher who is leaving the profession. Someone who made their subject interesting and relevant while encouraging his pupils to enjoy learning and to look around them. Fight hard my friend.

Oh, we will. I don't know a single teacher who agrees with the direction that Gove wants to take us in. People I know who have never really been into politics are becoming more and more militant in the face of his attack on teachers as a profession and the curriculum. If he wants a fight, he's got it.

 

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oooohhhh i never, strong words at the turner prize eh !! what did jude do, threaten to bash him with his man bag ??

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Cultural Literacy - bloody hell. Facts, facts, facts (or what the government wants children to know) with no skills to investigate the reasons behind the facts. Learn a poem by heart, know the dates of all the Kings and Queens, be able to recite your times tables - hey presto - a fully developed and well rounded individual. If the conversation is about comparative lengths of reigns of our monarchs, nobody will be embarrassed.

Except that the skills needed to apply the knowledge, to develop individuality and creativity, are being excised from the curriculum by an idealogue who wants to return us to Victorian values where there is a place for everyone, and everyone knows their place.

A skills based curriculum provides a broad and balanced learning platform that gives children the opportunity to broaden their understanding, develop their talents and crucially, to from their own beliefs, question what is put to them and apply the skills they learn in an imaginative and creative way. Gove seems to think that 'one size fits all', and is suspicious of educational styles that he does not understand, and feels are subversive.

I work as a teacher in a school where we have worked hard to design an exciting, innovative and relevant skills based curriculum. We won't be giving this up without a fight.

LIKE this post.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

oooohhhh i never, strong words at the turner prize eh !! what did jude do, threaten to bash him with his man bag ??

Other than this fatuous comment, this is the most encouraging thread I have read on here for a long time. I didn't exactly think I was alone in despairing of mr Gove and what he is doing, but nobody has tried to defend him yet. For someone who is supposed to be so intelligent, it just beggars belief that he can do so many stupid things together at the same time.

My wife is an education professional in the further education sector - sixth form college - and I don't think I would dare ask her whaat she thought of him in polite company. If I was a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, i would think that much of what he does deliberately militates against the schools in difficult ares which are trying to do a good job against all the odds.

He is supposed to be the darling of the right as well. Does what is gooing on here mean that somewhere down the line we might be in the position that the republican party is in the US right now, with some actually daring to speak out in favour of some of what Obama has done because they are fed up with having been backed in to the corner and been made unelectable by the excesses of the Tea Party?

 

[User removed 4]

Cultural Literacy - bloody hell. Facts, facts, facts (or what the government wants children to know) with no skills to investigate the reasons behind the facts. Learn a poem by heart, know the dates of all the Kings and Queens, be able to recite your times tables - hey presto - a fully developed and well rounded individual. If the conversation is about comparative lengths of reigns of our monarchs, nobody will be embarrassed.

Except that the skills needed to apply the knowledge, to develop individuality and creativity, are being excised from the curriculum by an idealogue who wants to return us to Victorian values where there is a place for everyone, and everyone knows their place.

A skills based curriculum provides a broad and balanced learning platform that gives children the opportunity to broaden their understanding, develop their talents and crucially, to from their own beliefs, question what is put to them and apply the skills they learn in an imaginative and creative way. Gove seems to think that 'one size fits all', and is suspicious of educational styles that he does not understand, and feels are subversive.

I work as a teacher in a school where we have worked hard to design an exciting, innovative and relevant skills based curriculum. We won't be giving this up without a fight.

Yes because schools have been turning out some absolute superstars over the last few 20 odd years havent they ?

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Teens 'cannot function in work'

 

[Marxo]

Gove or Groke?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Time for a bit of teacher bashing again, eh Bushy?

The last 20 years...God, where to start. You're talking about the length of time that I've been teaching. You would not believe the amount of changes that successive Education secretaries have imposed upon us during this period. From the Integrated curriculum to absolute stand alone subjects and back several times, various different methods for teaching English and Maths being hailed as the saviour of our children and then thrown out again...

Schools that develop dynamic, creative, stimulating and skills based curricula are increasingly being seen to improve results. Gove doesn't believe in this sort of curriculum. Teachers, who are always searching for the most successful and enjoyable ways to educate our children, do.

Exam results have improved year on year at GCSE and A Level, at KS1 and KS2 SATS. Levels of literacy and numeracy in our children are better now than they were in the past - it's a fallacy to suggest otherwise. But the curriculum needs to be exciting, so that children are motivated to do well, to better themselves, to have that desire to learn. God knows it's a tough world out there, with well qualified graduates struggling to find employment, let alone anyone else.

Young people are much more likely to do well if they have been taught to think for themselves, to be creative and imaginative. Gove's ideology is diametrically opposed to this.

 

[User removed 4]

Time for a bit of teacher bashing again, eh Bushy?The last 20 years...God, where to start. You're talking about the length of time that I've been teaching. You would not believe the amount of changes that successive Education secretaries have imposed upon us during this period. From the Integrated curriculum to absolute stand alone subjects and back several times, various different methods for teaching English and Maths being hailed as the saviour of our children and then thrown out again...

Schools that develop dynamic, creative, stimulating and skills based curricula are increasingly being seen to improve results. Gove doesn't believe in this sort of curriculum. Teachers, who are always searching for the most successful and enjoyable ways to educate our children, do.

Exam results have improved year on year at GCSE and A Level, at KS1 and KS2 SATS. Levels of literacy and numeracy in our children are better now than they were in the past - it's a fallacy to suggest otherwise. But the curriculum needs to be exciting, so that children are motivated to do well, to better themselves, to have that desire to learn. God knows it's a tough world out there, with well qualified graduates struggling to find employment, let alone anyone else.

Young people are much more likely to do well if they have been taught to think for themselves, to be creative and imaginative. Gove's ideology is diametrically opposed to this.

Again ?? Anyway, how about just teaching kids to read and write correctly , somebody has to be a plumber /bricklayer/ lorry driver etc and in my humble opinion dynamic , exciting and stimulating lessons should be superseded by ones that actually teach skills they'll need in the workplace , i.e reading , writing and arithmetic, as for your claims about exam results improving along with literacy and numeracy, i'l humbly suggest you're talking bollocks there , a mate is a secondary school teacher who has just left a state school to go and work in a private one , he tells me otherwise, perhaps these figures are manipulated, you know they are , and it suits you to prolong the fallacy as it would make you look bad if you didnt ?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Again ??

The 'again' wasn't aimed specifically at you - although reading it back it looks that way, sorry about that.

The 'again' refers to the concerted campaign to denigrate the teaching profession from The Daily Mail, Express, Gove and others with similar agendas.

 

[User removed 4]

The 'again' wasn't aimed specifically at you - although reading it back it looks that way, sorry about that.

The 'again' refers to the concerted campaign to denigrate the teaching profession from The Daily Mail, Express, Gove and others with similar agendas.

I wouldnt denigrate teachers and hope it doesnt come across like that, i dont doubt you're dedicated, and I also wouldnt denigrate the kids , who work bloody harrd to achieve these results, anyway got to rush now mate, time to go home !!