England team shouldn't get paid for this match. Clearly didn't give a monkey's. Very poor and tarnishes the series win.
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South Africa vs English 4th Test at Centurion, (which is near) Johannesburg
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Stumpy Tim
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I think that's the case - he's done well. He has had an excellent series, but will the gloves reduce his effectiveness as a batsman. As I say, I'm not sure it's a strong enough case yet, but it will come up
KZNSeagull
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Some interesting post match revelations from the Cap'n - Stokes and Bayliss have an interesting relationship in that all they do is swear at each other and that, in a weeks time, Cap'n will be home doing something to sheep. Ooeer.
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Silver lining time: the defeat might be a good wake-up call - no room for complacency etc.
England were slaughtered int the final Ashes test too.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Yep - we don't seem to be able to keep up the intensity when the series is won. The Aussies would never have let US get away with a freebie like this
On the contrary - England had a habit of winning the dead rubbers at the end of losing Ashes series', back when Australia were dominant.
spring hall convert
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If Pakistan had done that, the authorities would be scouring the markets for irregularities.
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Apart from when we were whitewashed of course.
Obviously
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Shocking last test but if offered a 2-1 outcome at the start of the tour then I'm sure Cook and Bayliss would have taken that.
Hopefully, the selectors will have learned NEVER to pick Woakes again. Wood's stock has risen by not playing.
As for the batting, the cab rank is well and truly empty. It would have been nice for someone to have emerged and put the Pietersen issue to bed, but that hasn't happened so I fully expect the debate to be reignited.
Hopefully, the selectors will have learned NEVER to pick Woakes again. Wood's stock has risen by not playing.
As for the batting, the cab rank is well and truly empty. It would have been nice for someone to have emerged and put the Pietersen issue to bed, but that hasn't happened so I fully expect the debate to be reignited.
spring hall convert
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Ditto Bell.
Bold Seagull
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Cook's form is effecting those coming in around him (again). After being solid last summer, he seems to have slipped back again. His innings in this series: 0,7,27,8,18,43,76,5.
In Durban & Cape Town he was the first man out both innings, so 4 innings in a row. That is then so tough for Hales and Compton to solidify your own position as well as losing your captain straight off. He's been captaining exceptionally well, especially with the arrival of Bayliss. Very positive and he has been going with the flow in matches which is good to see. He just needs to keep his wicket, even just to 20's rather than single figures - 4 single figure innings out of 8 in this series isn't good enough to be brutally honest, and not relieving any pressure from the top order. They focus might be on Hales and Compton, but Hales's 10,26,60,5,1,18,15,1 isn't really that much different from the captain, and Compton's 85,49, 45,15,26,0,19,6 is better than both of them.
Not sure I'd write Hales off just yet. I think he is such an exciting talent, that I'd be minded to give him part of the summer to see if he does improve. Shouldn't judge him just on an away series to South Africa.
In Durban & Cape Town he was the first man out both innings, so 4 innings in a row. That is then so tough for Hales and Compton to solidify your own position as well as losing your captain straight off. He's been captaining exceptionally well, especially with the arrival of Bayliss. Very positive and he has been going with the flow in matches which is good to see. He just needs to keep his wicket, even just to 20's rather than single figures - 4 single figure innings out of 8 in this series isn't good enough to be brutally honest, and not relieving any pressure from the top order. They focus might be on Hales and Compton, but Hales's 10,26,60,5,1,18,15,1 isn't really that much different from the captain, and Compton's 85,49, 45,15,26,0,19,6 is better than both of them.
Not sure I'd write Hales off just yet. I think he is such an exciting talent, that I'd be minded to give him part of the summer to see if he does improve. Shouldn't judge him just on an away series to South Africa.
BensGrandad
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People are condemning Bairstow but who would you replace him with who is as good as a batsman and better as a keeper.
Uncle Buck
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Butler is probably the answer there, but he needs some time in county cricket, hence Bairstow has been playing.
BensGrandad
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Is he as good a batsman as Bairstow, I dont think so.
Uncle Buck
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Until recently I would have said not much between them. But Bairstow has kicked on with the bat, at last. Keeper wise Butler is much better, although his dip in form with the bat was affecting his keeping.
Butler needs to go back to Lancashire and get some time in the middle.
Bairstow needs to spend a lot of time with Bruce French and sort out his keeping.