bhaexpress
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Shizuoka Dolphin said:Boston?
Errrr... I think you'll find Massachusetts is not a state actually... Don't you people know anything?![]()
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What is it then ? A Commonwealth ? I think you'll find that it's regated as a state.
Shizuoka Dolphin said:Boston?
Errrr... I think you'll find Massachusetts is not a state actually... Don't you people know anything?![]()
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bhaexpress said:What is it then ? A Commonwealth ? I think you'll find that it's regated as a state.
If you had bothered to read the posts, you can see the acknowledgement of the designation of their state/commonwealth status. But youw won't. You are instead getting more and more hysterical with every post. Please. For your own sake, get over yourself.Shizuoka Dolphin said:You, me and the rest of the world may know that, but try telling it to The Large One...![]()
The Large One said:You are getting more and more hysterical with every post.
Please. For your own sake, get over yourself.
Anyhoo, they don't like to refer to themselves as states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_or_State?
Four of the constituent states of the United States officially designate themselves Commonwealths.
The Large One said:If you had bothered to read the posts, you can see the acknowledgement of the designation of their state/commonwealth status. But youw won't. You are instead getting more and more hysterical with every post. Please. For your own sake, get over yourself.
Anyhoo, it appears that they don't like to refer to themselves as states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_or_State?
Allow me to quote Wikipedia for you...Shizuoka Dolphin said:More and more hysterical, eh?Interesting word choice. Thus far I'd say things had been the polar opposite; carefully considered and life-sappingly dull.
If you're going to start quoting Wikipedia, then for the sake of amusement, allow me to quote the first line of that link:
Hysterical enough for ya?![]()
The Large One said:Allow me to quote Wikipedia for you...
Four of the constituent states of the United States officially designate themselves Commonwealths.
But then, what part of 'No, they're Commonwealths, although they operate within the Union the same way that States do' so passes you by?
I make one 'did you know' comment about the 46 states, you then proceed to make two posts about boring men in musty pubs, you admit to your own sense of tedium when posting on this subject, then proceed to re-gurgitate in another thread with a view to scoring a point with another poster who probably doesn't care, then point out again how dull this all is.
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The Large One said:Nah. I want a fight.
Let me put it this way, Netherlands is a state (note the small 's') with its own legislative powers, judiciary, tax-raising powers etc but is designated a 'Kingdom'. Similarly, France is a state (some wags might refer to it as being 'in a state' - boom-boom) with its own legislative powers, judiciary, tax-raising powers etc, but is designated a 'Republic'. Texas is a state with its own legislative powers, judiciary, tax-raising powers etc, and is designated a 'State'. Virginia is a state with its own legislative powers, judiciary, tax-raising powers etc, but is designated a 'Commonwealth'.
In other words, to refer to Virginia as 'The State of Virginia' is not correct, no more than it is to refer to Texas as, say, the 'Republic of Texas' (even though the nation as a whole is a republic), nor the Netherlands as, say 'The Commonwealth of the Netherlands'.
Why is the nation not referred to as the United States and Commonwealths of America? No idea.
Sorry, just had to clarify my original post of last night.
There, now we can agree.![]()
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Which is what I said.Shizuoka Dolphin said:I appreciate all of the above, but my point has always been that while those four states may officially be called commonwealths it has no meaning greater than different words printed on a piece of paper. The two titles are not distinct like a republic and a commonwealth in the traditional definition of the words. The political constitutions are identical and the term is entirely interchangable with State.
Any documention you may care to produce on Kentucky, for example, will invariably state "The Commonwealth of Kentucky is a state within the USA" or similar. I'd say that the best way to describe the US is that there are forty six states which use the term in their official title, and four that don't.
The Large One said:Which is what I said.
Yes, I did say that.Shizuoka Dolphin said:That the four states which don't have the word 'state' in their official title are still states?
Good, glad we're on the same page.![]()
The Large One said:Yes, I did say that.
...Virginia is a state with its own legislative powers, judiciary, tax-raising powers etc, but is designated a 'Commonwealth'...
It's a state, but not a State.
These Americans are so f***ing pedantic, no?
f***, so this whole debate has hinged on a typo?Shizuoka Dolphin said:Well I was never arguing that there are 50 States rather than 50 states, so I fear we've both been wasting our time somewhat over the last 24 hours!
For the record, your initial post stated there are 46 states FACT (small 's') which, by the looks of your above post (that Virginia is a state, but not a State), you now conceed there are fifty.
I need a drink.