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Some practicalities to consider



Lady Bracknell

Handbag at Dawn
Jul 5, 2003
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The Metropolis
Del Boy has done sterling work with the Albion-friendly businesses by the looks of things. Well done mate! :clap2:

But there are some practicalities to consider about production and I hope my comments will be helpful.

I've noticed that the original request for sponsorship or advertising doesn't quote a price. Something that needs to be included in any follow-up or future requests.

The reason for this is that all companies have an advertising budget and while the targetted group might advertise in a fanzine PARTLY on the basis of being "Albion friendly", nobody will commit themself to advertising anywhere (no matter how good the cause) without knowing what it'll cost them.

I'd take a half page, for example, if it was cheap! But are you looking to raise the entire costs of production from advertising - or looking to OFFSET the costs of production?

Going on to consider production costs, someone is, in any case, going to have to underwrite the printing bill. You have to work on the basis that the printer will not hand over the fanzine without you crossing his palm with £500.

Even if you squeak through this initial encounter without paying you MUST settle the bill within DAYS of the fanzine going on sale and certainly within a week of collecting it. You'll be getting a good deal from WSL partly because some of us have built up a reliable reputation with them and are seen as good customers. You need to build on that good fortune. Not undermine any future relationship with them.

Advertisers, on the other hand, will NOT expect to pay their bill until they've seen the fanzine and are happy with their ads. Given that cash flow and liquidity is the key to keeping a business going, nobody pays a bill before it is due and 30 days is normally the "due date"!

So far as dealing with the printers is concerned, I know you are busy Richie but if you are doing the layout you need to be absolutely confident about how they expect to receive the finished product. Which means phoning someone. If there are formatting problems the printer is quite entitled to add their editing costs and will certainly more time to complete the job in.

Have you checked what their turnaround time is, btw? Because you need the mag to come out before a HOME match.

I guess the point behind this great loooooong message is that I perceive some practical problems that still need to be sorted out. It may be that they are already sorted. If so, all the better! Otherwise they need sorting - and sooner rather than later!
 






Brighton Breezy

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Jul 5, 2003
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Sussex
Cheers once again Ros.

Del Boy, can you check with the printers as to the turnaround time please?

I was hoping to offset the price of printing because I do not want to price people out of advertising. I am open to suggestions with what would be reasonable price for advertising, this might be something you could suggest Ros as I have only ever dealt with uni mag which had a readership of 10,000 so was substantially bigger.

The only time frame I have at the moment is that all articles are in by next weekend and my friend wants a week after that to get it laye up and looking good by before we send it off.

Ros, I hate to be a pain but could you perhaps post any things I need to tell my friend: i.e. what format it needs to be in for printers, best picture resolution etc. If it is going to take you ages to find out dont worry but just thought if you could remember from last time that would be a massive help.

The laying up is underway, just waiting on articles to come in.

cheers again Ros, much appreciated.

Richie
 




Lady Bracknell

Handbag at Dawn
Jul 5, 2003
4,514
The Metropolis
I can't really advise on advertising costs since my specialism is the editorial side of the business. The advertising team usually sit in another room moaning about hacks and sub-editors who eat biscuits and tell bad jokes all day while they get on with the real job that brings the revenue in!

You've got to work out the proportion of advertising to editorial that will make the mag worth buying - get it wrong and it looks like a free sheet - yet still covers costs. Working this sort of thing out is down to you as editor but as a guideline I'd suggest that a 25% is the absolute maximum you can allow for adverts.

But you must address the real problem of needing to pay for the printing long before you'll get paid for the advertising.

As for formats, here's the basics:

Needs to be in Quark for Mac (although they MIGHT convert it from PC version - be prepared for them not being happy though)
All pictures and fonts must be included on disk
They will NOT want it emailed to them - hence disk
Do not use system fonts
Pictures must be at least 300 dpi, CMYK, .tiff format.
If using BLACK in text/picture boxes it must be BLACK. Not registration.
Set document up as A4 landscape and number facing pages correctly i.e. front cover is page 1 and 32, inside cover pages are 2 and 31 etc., etc.

But whoever lays out the mag really should be speaking to the printer directly. It's an absolutely ESSENTIAL part of the process.
 




Brighton Breezy

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Jul 5, 2003
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Sussex
Cheers Roz, your a star.

Im meeting my friend on Tuesday when he gets back from V2004 to tell him exactly what we want. Will give him number for printers and get him to liase with them from there. He has 'played around' with a few pages and its looking pretty good. Just waiting for the articles now.

Advertising wise:

- I was thinking about 25% of the pages at the very most or, as you say, people will think its a leaflet. I am somewhat clueless about price though. How much would you be prepared to pay for an advert Ros, maybe we could work on that. Needless to say if you want one we will discount it from the price you suggest because of all your help, but might give us a starting idea.

- Del Boy, think you should try some pubs/bars/clubs in the area if you can find their contact details. Might be more likely to advertise in a football fanzine.


Slowly all coming together. Thanks for your help everyone.
 


My calculations for advertising charges:-

Total Costs (based on a quote for a print run of 500) ... £500

Potential Sales Income (@ £1 a copy) ... £500

But assume disaster & only 300 copies sell

Therefore - Sales Income ... £300

Potential Shortfall ... £200

To be funded by advertising revenue of £200

Eight pages of advertising needs to earn £200

One page needs to earn £200/8 = £25

Therefore - charge £40 for a full page; £25 for a half page

Sell all the space (6 full page ads; 4 half-page ads) and you're now budgeting for a profit of £140, even if only 300 copies are sold.

If 450 copies are sold, total profit is £290.

BUT YOU WILL STILL NEED TO DELIVER £500 UP FRONT TO THE PRINTERS !

Only when a fanzine reaches Edition Number Three can you reach the point when there's enough dosh in the kitty to pay the printer without dipping into your own pocket.

AND YOU DO NEED TO SELL THE ADVERTISING SPACE !
 


Lady Bracknell

Handbag at Dawn
Jul 5, 2003
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The Metropolis
I've just had a look at the fixtures - given that you need to set a firm date to get this fanzine out - and would suggest the week commencing 13 September,

There are 2 home games that week - Wolves on Tuesday 14th and QPR on the 19th.

You don't often get this sort of opportunity to maximise sales!

Otherwise, the next realistic date is the Sheffield United game at Withdean on the 2nd October.

PS. I'm happy to pay £25 for a half page ad. I'll sort the design out.
 


Brighton Breezy

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Jul 5, 2003
19,439
Sussex
Thank you again, you are both life savers.


Del Boy, try clubs, bars and pubs in Brighton for advertising places.

Full page - £40
Half Page - £25
 


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