so the germans hate ronaldo too
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pasty
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I'm afraid I completely lost it at one point last night, shouting ranting and raving at the tv. A defender obviously got a bit too close to the cheating scumbag in the area, so he did his usual trick of launching himself into the air in a perfect swallow dive. The tv cameras picked up he was actually appealing to the ref with pleading eyes and screaming at him as he was flying through the air, before he'd even hit the deck.
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pasty said:
That was the one where big Phil seemed to have got a bit pissed off with it all himeself
Zed Seagull
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NMH said:
No you wouldnt. Know why? Not good enough. And before anyone mentions it, yes your a better team than Scotland but that doesn't win you World Cups im afraid.
Zed Seagull
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NMH said:Yeah, boring old competition anyway, who wants to go tae the World Cup when you can get your pleasure waiting for England to get eliminated.
I'd MUCH rather have a team that struggles against football powers like the Faroe Islands and gets to revel in the eventual loss from our neighbour
wha's like us, eh?
The yawn was about whenever i so much as challenge a comment about England i get the " We're better than you rant! "
Results have improved since the Faroes, but of course England don't go through transitional periods do they? 1974 & 1978 no?
Wha's like you's eh!
NMH
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Zed Seagull said:
"not good enough" is a cover-all statement really, as it envelopes all the teams not winning World Cups, and brushes aside the concept that we have been "good enough", but have been mismanaged. Like in 2002, if Swain had the interest to inject some passion (like young Joe Cole) into the team when required against 10-man Brazil, we would almost certainly have been "good enough". Instead we watched a lacklustre game devoid of passion, full of passive!
Brazil didn't think they'd get such a simple time as that, but gleefully accepted the gift on the way to winning a final against a sorry German side we had been "good enough" to have spanked 5-1 at their drum.
If the criteria of "better than Scotland" to win World Cups is to be taken into the argument, then that already exists for all the teams that went to the finals this year - and that's why there's a tournament - to decide which team-that is-better-than-Scotland should win the trophy!
NMH
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Zed Seagull said:
Well you HAVE to know that you will get that, when you as a Scot take up the argument. We are too familiar now, with Scots enjoying our eventual demises!
You could bring up EVERY WC meeting other than 1966 to point to an eventual failing before the third-to last hurdle, or the second to last one in the European International trophy, and often on penalties it transpires.
That's like us.Zed Seagull
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NMH said:"not good enough" is a cover-all statement really, as it envelopes all the teams not winning World Cups, and brushes aside the concept that we have been "good enough", but have been mismanaged. Like in 2002, if Swain had the interest to inject some passion (like young Joe Cole) into the team when required against 10-man Brazil, we would almost certainly have been "good enough". Instead we watched a lacklustre game devoid of passion, full of passive!
Brazil didn't think they'd get such a simple time as that, but gleefully accepted the gift on the way to winning a final against a sorry German side we had been "good enough" to have spanked 5-1 at their drum.
If the criteria of "better than Scotland" to win World Cups is to be taken into the argument, then that already exists for all the teams that went to the finals this year - and that's why there's a tournament - to decide which team-that is-better-than-Scotland should win the trophy!
Joe Cole or like would have been enough to beat Brazil? Go and have a ly doon!!
10 men Brazil or not!You beat Germany, Brazil beat Germany by a less score makes you world Champs then. hoorah!!
We beat you's at wembley!! So on your calculations Scotland are the world Champions!!! Oh my God!!!
The criteria of better than Scotland is a term used on here whenever someone like myself dares to slag England off. But right enough teams have to be better than us tae win it! Which would mean 80% of FIFA ranked teams i suppose !
Seriously though i think 1966 has been an albotross around Englands neck. Dare i say would you have won without the home advantage? i dont know. Think on average, England are a Q/F side and no more. That is an opinion! Still better than Scotland though eh!
NMH
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Snore, you obviously like to manipulate sense to suit yourself - I certainly did not say that Cole would beat Brazil alone, and making myself any clearer only requires that I repeat myself to someone who doesn't want to 'get it'. The point of putting on a young lad with passion, wonderful ability, and blind fearless youthful brashness to stir the hearts of the listless team is apparently lost on you (for whom a single feckin' BAGPIPE is supposed to mean so much!)
However, to brush aside the idea that some spirited additions (SUCH AS Joe Cole) would be to say that Brazil would have won that game without Ronaldinho and Ronaldo. Indeed, ONE man can and does make a difference, but the sense to see what we needed was not there from the one manager who had the power to see it. An uninspired performance needed inspiration, but it was not forthcoming.
But yes we are generally better than Scotland and no we are not generally a World-Cup winning concern, both are apparent. The fight in the dog might have seen you lot, at least once, do a Greece and win something! Why haven't you....not even almost?
Under Hoddle, we were stopped in a very forceful claim, by a referee's decision about a header from Sol Campbell. That, and the sending off of a poleaxed Beckham for a fairly inoccuous but silly response. No it didn't mean we were going to win but for those decisions, it certainly did prevent us from going further.
As for this 'we are better than you' thing, I really can't see how you are surprised to hear it, when Scots come out with the mocking attitude of your neighbour's hopeful chances, when PASSION for football is what you brush aside in us, yet firmly gibber on aboot wee Scottish pride (and not forgetting that awful strangled-cat accordian bag thing full of wind).
You always deserve a reminder of the REALITY that you have not, and cannot aspire to be World-beaters, but we can and have. It's a fact. Any support for you as underdogs has always been answered by tiresome mocking of our tangible attempts to prove our quality. We are looked to by much of the football World as one of the best. Fact.
Here's a wee poem frae the highlands, edited suitably. I think it's appropriate;
Wi' lightsome heart ye pu'd a rose
frae off it's thorny tree.
But that proud Rose was England's,
and left it's thorn wi' YE !
However, to brush aside the idea that some spirited additions (SUCH AS Joe Cole) would be to say that Brazil would have won that game without Ronaldinho and Ronaldo. Indeed, ONE man can and does make a difference, but the sense to see what we needed was not there from the one manager who had the power to see it. An uninspired performance needed inspiration, but it was not forthcoming.
But yes we are generally better than Scotland and no we are not generally a World-Cup winning concern, both are apparent. The fight in the dog might have seen you lot, at least once, do a Greece and win something! Why haven't you....not even almost?
Under Hoddle, we were stopped in a very forceful claim, by a referee's decision about a header from Sol Campbell. That, and the sending off of a poleaxed Beckham for a fairly inoccuous but silly response. No it didn't mean we were going to win but for those decisions, it certainly did prevent us from going further.
As for this 'we are better than you' thing, I really can't see how you are surprised to hear it, when Scots come out with the mocking attitude of your neighbour's hopeful chances, when PASSION for football is what you brush aside in us, yet firmly gibber on aboot wee Scottish pride (and not forgetting that awful strangled-cat accordian bag thing full of wind).
You always deserve a reminder of the REALITY that you have not, and cannot aspire to be World-beaters, but we can and have. It's a fact. Any support for you as underdogs has always been answered by tiresome mocking of our tangible attempts to prove our quality. We are looked to by much of the football World as one of the best. Fact.
Here's a wee poem frae the highlands, edited suitably. I think it's appropriate;
Wi' lightsome heart ye pu'd a rose
frae off it's thorny tree.
But that proud Rose was England's,
and left it's thorn wi' YE !
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NMH
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Perhaps Sven Boring DID sort-of realise that he should have played Joe in 2002, and that influenced him to show his willingness (to have some balls) by taking this years' Billy The Kid, Theo Walcott.
Sadly, this was a totally different kettle of fish, one which stank like kippers, when you realise that Walcott was an innocent un-blooded kid taking up a position he shouldn't have had in the squad. Not his fault, but he would be very unlikely to fill the responsibility of taking on the best defenders and leading England by example. Owen Hargreaves did that, in our last game, and even buried his penalty with aplomb.
Sadly, this was a totally different kettle of fish, one which stank like kippers, when you realise that Walcott was an innocent un-blooded kid taking up a position he shouldn't have had in the squad. Not his fault, but he would be very unlikely to fill the responsibility of taking on the best defenders and leading England by example. Owen Hargreaves did that, in our last game, and even buried his penalty with aplomb.
the wanderbus
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Zed Seagull said:
No, its a fact. However this England side is more talented than previous years & with better leadership plus better luck could have done better.
Ronaldo is a cheating little shit & as mentioned by dj leon , has been for years .The difference is he's usually cheating against teams we dont give a shit about
Blackadder
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Ronaldo is an annoying little **** (in the mould of Leon Shite)
But he is not the reason we bombed in the World Cup!
That falls squarely on the shoulders of a certain man on £5,000,000 a year!
But he is not the reason we bombed in the World Cup!
That falls squarely on the shoulders of a certain man on £5,000,000 a year!
NMH
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Buzza said:
Right, and I imagine he's well-happy to be on his bike, now he's been found out. Incapable of selecting leading or inspiring the best England squad ever available any further than a quarter-final.
Thanks Sven for 5-1 against Germany, but those lads were going to win it with or without you sunbeam.
GermanShepherd
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ronaldo got booed by the german supporters, as he was diving to get a penalty. simple as.
nothing to do with rooney or england or whatever...
nothing to do with rooney or england or whatever...
NMH
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Rubbish. He was booed from the start, before he had the chance to play-act against the Germans or the French. They hate him because he's a ponce, just like we do. He is, after all, a stand-alone prize c**t
London Calling
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Agree. When he first came to Old Trafford his diving was picked up right away. Until it bacame emabarrassing. The media picked it up all of the time. He seemed to calm down a bit. The WC has just opened up old wounds.
The WC has become embarrassing for him. His way of reacting to the "cheats" claim is to dive more.
Remember other world TV networks will also have their panels of experts. They will show the talent of Ronaldo and also his bad points. All fans love some banter so if a few England supporters started some booing, then anyone not supporting Portugal will joi in for a laugh.
Lets hope it will have an effect. Though the only real way of supporting his diving is to book him again and again. Lets role out out post match video evidence.
He is a great talent, its a shame for him that the world sees him as a serial cheat!
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London Calling said:
I think a lot of that was down to Fergusson who must take the credit for "calming " him down and explaining to him that he was not going to get away with what he would in Spain or Portugal. Watching Spanish football on Sky shows that this happens all the time.
With regards to our Scottish friend, why do the Scots always bring everything back to a England Scotland rivalry? we lost out in the WC because we were not good enough. I am not sure Sven would have made much of a difference if he had his time again, or if any other manager had the oppertunity to manage England. Ok maybe we would have taken another striker or two, but be honest, who? darren Bent? Ashton? I think we have a lack of world class strikers in this country ( especially with Owen being injury prone). Our midfield is decent but I couln't see any of them getting in Italy or France, Or Portugal for that matter's team.
lampard was terribly dissapointing, Beckham did his best but his best was 5 years ago, Cole is ok, but can flatter to decieve and Gerrard looked off the pace in a few games.
the only player to come out of this tournement on the English side with any credit was Owen hargreaves, who has been roundly pilloried on here and in the press.
We are just not "world class" and I am not sure we will ever be!
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All you ask from a manager is to get more out of the players than they offer as individuals. Play as a team and play with confidence. This World Cup was there for the taking for England - whether you consider them to be world class or not. Same as it was for Germany. And we were both the home team in those stadiums and we had by far the better draw.
So I think another manager would have made a difference. Do I think Hiddink or Scolari would have got more from those players ? Yes. Do I think McClaren will ? No.
And Defoe could have been a good enough replacement for Owen.
So I think another manager would have made a difference. Do I think Hiddink or Scolari would have got more from those players ? Yes. Do I think McClaren will ? No.
And Defoe could have been a good enough replacement for Owen.