So..Murray cost us £450,000 in the end!

[Silent Bob]

Are people still talking about Murray??

 

[Easy 10]

Are people still talking about Murray??

Better get used to it. Just wait till the season starts.

Murray won't be able to FART without there being half a dozen 10-page threads about it on here. This place is going to be absolutely FESTOONED with Palace fans either gloating over him or defending him. It'll make the Leon Knight threads look like a brief passing fancy.

 

[Palace4ever]

Nope, true.

But not having to pay a sizable signing on fee plus an inflated salary to to the likes of Murray does leave us a little more leaway in the playing budget to get someone in who (a) wants to play for the club, and (b) is a Poyet signing, and therefore more in line with the style of play he wants to maintain at the club.

Every cloud, and all that

(and you ARE paying over the odds. He's good, but £12k a week for Murray is ridiculous).

Pulling numbers out of thin air there.

Just to re-iterate, coming from an insider at Palace (who knows these things and informs us of the bad as well as the good) Murray is on £8k / week at Palace and his signing on fee was under £100k.

Poyets offer went up to £7.5k / week for him to stay. Go figure.

I'm sure he'll be a bigger loss than you care to admit right now. Fair enough to play down the move. When Danns goes I'll be honest and accept two things about the transfer. He is moving for a better deal for him. No worries on that score. Probably slightly more money and probably nearer his native home. I won't call him crap or say that we wanted better. He'll be sorely missed and we know that we'll have done everything to stop him going.

To say that he doesn't fit the plan and is not a Poyet signing is so disingenuous it isn't true! He (as one of your posters said) is arguably one of your top 10 signings ever. Hopefully he can have a similar level of feeling at Palace.

 

[Northstandite]

You are missing the point. Whatever we are paying, NONE of it goes to BHA.

And the point is that your money wasn't needed or expected.

The Club decided not to be held to ramsom for a huge re-signing on fee and wages, for an unproven at Championship level player.

We aren't talking Luis Suarez, Messi or Rooney here. A 28 years old League One striker isn't the difference between Albion or Palace having a great or poor season in the Championship. Hence why Poyet was cool about the departure.

 

[Easy 10]

Pulling numbers out of thin air there.

Just to re-iterate, coming from an insider at Palace (who knows these things and informs us of the bad as well as the good) Murray is on £8k / week at Palace and his signing on fee was under £100k.

Poyets offer went up to £7.5k / week for him to stay. Go figure.

I'm sure he'll be a bigger loss than you care to admit right now. Fair enough to play down the move. When Danns goes I'll be honest and accept two things about the transfer. He is moving for a better deal for him. No worries on that score. Probably slightly more money and probably nearer his native home. I won't call him crap or say that we wanted better. He'll be sorely missed and we know that we'll have done everything to stop him going.

To say that he doesn't fit the plan and is not a Poyet signing is so disingenuous it isn't true! He (as one of your posters said) is arguably one of your top 10 signings ever. Hopefully he can have a similar level of feeling at Palace.

I'll happily admit I'd have preferred him to stay, he's a good player and has just had his finest season with us. I never said he was crap. But the fact remains that Gus did not consider him worth the money your mob are lashing out on him, and instead has decided to channel those funds elsewhere. I have no problem with that, because we've only really got one decent full season out of him, and that happened to be the one when he was running his contract down. He's injury prone, has had a questionable attitude during his time here, couple of transfer requests etc, so him moving on was always on the cards.

The signings Gus has made so far seem to indicate he is looking for much more pace in attack, and thats not something Murray offers - although he'd no doubt have been a decent option coming off the bench for something different, but the kind of money he was after didn't make that an attractive proposition.

Now when BENNETT goes, thats a different kettle of fish. I'll be gutted when he completes this Norwich move because he's in his prime, and unlike with Murray, I have no doubts he'd have cut it at Championship level, and he'll probably do well in the Prem.

The jury will be out on Murray. He might do alright, but not worth the risk for the money he was after, nor his injury record, nor his attitude.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I am afraid the insider is usually spot on, and even reveals the info that Palace fans would rather not hear, as well as the info we would.

But I understand that it is easier to believe every word that comes out of Poyets mouth. The most likely thing that has happened here is Murray was looking elsewhere - Poyet offered him terms that he didn't like. Palace offered him a (slightly) better deal with the 3-year contract and he accepted. Murray probably told Poyet that if he was offered £x amount he'd stay and Poyet said no.

Fair play to Poyet for that - his perception was I am not going to break the wage structure for him - but the kicker here, is to get the extra £500 p/w we were offering (plus the extra year) we didn't have to break our wage cap - and in fact given the players who have left Palace since the end of the season - not even close to breaking it.

Why should we believe you when someone working at the club told me that we had offered double Murray's wages but he wanted quadruple? I doubt very much that you offered him just £500 a week more when Southampton and Millwall were also interested. Go figure.

 

[Silent Bob]

Pulling numbers out of thin air there.

Murray is on £8k / week at Palace and his signing on fee was under £100k.

Poyets offer went up to £7.5k / week for him to stay. Go figure.

Good grief.

 

[Palace4ever]

Why should we believe you when someone working at the club told me that we had offered double Murray's wages but he wanted quadruple? I doubt very much that you offered him just £500 a week more when Southampton and Millwall were also interested. Go figure.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. I am telling you information which comes form a repeatedly reliable source who has been spot on more times than I can remember. It also is in keeping with non-Murray related contract negotiations that CPFC have conducted since the new owners came in.

It is widely reported that Ambrose and Speroni are the two equal highest earners at Palace. Both are (probably) on around £10k / week. Ambrose, who scored 20 goals 09/10 campaign (i.e. tested at Champ level) will not be out-earned by Murray. Nonsensical to pay the unsubstantiated £12k / week that has been posted on here. If that is the case, then Ambrose, Speroni and McCarthy will all be banging on the door for new deals.

Danns is being offered similar to Ambrose to stay and has been told that we won't increase the offer. Now given how vital he is to our cause, do you honestly think we'd say no to him having over £10k a week, yet offer £12k to Murray? Not a chance. Danns is arguably a far more impotant player for Palace than Murray. Just because Murray wanted quadruple his salary doesn't mean he'll get it.

What seems to have happened, is that our board and manager (along with a good salary and signing on fee) have convinced him that he is wanted at Palace and that he is part of Dougies plans. Great. Footballers don't just move for money. Danns looks likely to go to Hull - and their local rag are reporting that his contract offer is equal to ours - yet his head is being turned. Sometimes there is more to it than money to make a player move on.

I can not see any player that Dougie and co will target this year that we'll pay more in wages to than what Speroni and Ambrose are currently earning. Full Stop.

What is more - is I think Hoskins is probably on fairly similar wages to Murray now. We've both taken a risk on players who scored 20 + goals at league 1 level last season...given the fee involved with yours it has probably cost you a bit more financially than us. Lets see how both get on next campaign.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

He cost us nothing, if he gets 5 goals he will be worth every penny of that £0

You actually think he is going to score that many ?

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Judas is history , his replacement is 5 years younger , has experience in the Championship and has more talent. Only players with ambition are wanted by the Albion.

 

[Bwian]

You are missing the point. Whatever we are paying, NONE of it goes to BHA.

Nor does it go to any of the creditors you managed to screw out of what you owed them.

 

[Palace4ever]

Nor does it go to any of the creditors you managed to screw out of what you owed them.

Well, whilst you make a valid point in principle - don't forget that over 80% of monies owed was to Jordan himself, and of those that really suffered (i.e charities and small organisations) the fans dug in to pay off every last bit of monies owed to St. John's Ambulance - the largest of the non-profit or charitable creditors.

It is a dark part of our recent history that none of us are proud of and we welcome the fresh approach that our new owners have taken. You'll find few people more ashamed of how the club was being run than Palace fans themsleves. If we never spend another penny on transfer fees and continuously struggle to avoid relegation from the championship but never have outstanding debts then that would suit me. Much better times to be a Palace fan now than anytime in the last 10 years IMO.

 

[southwickseagull]

I cant be arsed to read all through this thread, but looking at the Argus, did we really pay £520,000 for Bobby Zomora I thought 'we paid one hundred grand, for the best in the land'!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I cant be arsed to read all through this thread, but looking at the Argus, did we really pay £520,000 for Bobby Zomora I thought 'we paid one hundred grand, for the best in the land'!

This could include the sell-on , appearances , promotion clauses that Bristol Rovers got written into the transfer deal when we signed him.

 

[Storer 68]

Pulling numbers out of thin air there.

Just to re-iterate, coming from an insider at Palace (who knows these things and informs us of the bad as well as the good) Murray is on £8k / week at Palace and his signing on fee was under £100k.

Poyets offer went up to £7.5k / week for him to stay. Go figure.

.

Tell me if I missed something here.

We cannot afford an extra £26,000 a year (the difference between £7.5k and £8k a week) but we CAN afford to blow £105,000,000 105 MILLION on a brand new state of the art stadium.

If we wanted him badly enough I feel sure we could have stumped up the cash

 

[Easy 10]

Well, whilst you make a valid point in principle - don't forget that over 80% of monies owed was to Jordan himself, and of those that really suffered (i.e charities and small organisations) the fans dug in to pay off every last bit of monies owed to St. John's Ambulance - the largest of the non-profit or charitable creditors.

Was that the first time round, or the second time ?

I lose track.

 

[AZ Gull]

I cant be arsed to read all through this thread, but looking at the Argus, did we really pay £520,000 for Bobby Zomora I thought 'we paid one hundred grand, for the best in the land'!

Bristol Rovers had a 30% sell-on clause, so when we sold Zamora for 1.5mill they received 30% of 1.4mill (Albion's profit on the deal), which is 420k (making 520k in total when you include the original fee).

 

[southwickseagull]

Bristol Rovers had a 30% sell-on clause, so when we sold Zamora for 1.5mill they received 30% of 1.4mill (Albion's profit on the deal), which is 420k (making 520k in total when you include the original fee).

. Ah. Thanks mate, an old man getting confused! Lol

 

[pauldcpfc]

Why should we believe you when someone working at the club told me that we had offered double Murray's wages but he wanted quadruple? I doubt very much that you offered him just £500 a week more when Southampton and Millwall were also interested. Go figure.

Millwall pulled out after making an offer in early May.

Southampton never really made a concrete offer.

Brighton had £7.5k on the table.
Palace had £8k + £80k signing-on fee + an extra year extension if goals are met.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

if he gets 5 goals he will be worth every penny of that £0

At least Judas can keep his goal celebration