So, lets destroy the other sites

[Albion Dan]

but falmer would have train also-
how will you get 20,000 odd people to use a park & ride service?

Reading Manage!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Reading Manage!

but don't they have a massive car park?

 

[Scotty Mac]

people could bike, and it is not to far from the old goldstone - how did that used to take 20,000 people? hove station isn't that far away, and even so they could do a free bus service from the station to the ground

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

people could bike, and it is not to far from the old goldstone - how did that used to take 20,000 people? hove station isn't that far away, and even so they could do a free bus service from the station to the ground

that would make it LESS suitable than falmer as it would cost more-
rule that one out!

 

[ditchy]

but falmer would have train also-
how will you get 20,000 odd people to use a park & ride service?

How do Reading do it .. large carpark and a bus service waiting to take people into town ... ..that way sheepcote is then in play...My point is though that there are arguments for Sheepcote ,waterhall and toads ... if u can argue a good enough case they all become options ... People say we are trying to "shoe Horn " a stadium into falmer waterhall and sheepcote provide enough room ..Toads dosent !!

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

How do Reading do it .. large carpark and a bus service waiting to take people into town ... ..that way sheepcote is then in play...My point is though that there are arguments for Sheepcote ,waterhall and toads ... if u can argue a good enough case they all become options ... People say we are trying to "shoe Horn " a stadium into falmer waterhall and sheepcote provide enough room ..Toads dosent !!

but the fact that we'd have to spend loads of buses(as noone can go by train) means it is LESS suitable than falmer

 

[deadlock]

but don't they have a massive car park?

We also don't get 20,000+ crowds as often as we'd like (or would like others to think we do).

There's 2,000 spaces at the stadium, as far as I remember, plus another 300 odd in the speedway stadium next door, and another 1,000 or so just down the road at HP. There's still a lot use buses, shanks pony or the park and ride scheme, not least because it can take the best part of an hour to get out of the car park after a game.

But if park and ride is all there is, people will use it.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

We also don't get 20,000+ crowds as often as we'd like (or would like others to think we do).

There's 2,000 spaces at the stadium, as far as I remember, plus another 300 odd in the speedway stadium next door, and another 1,000 or so just down the road at HP. There's still a lot use buses, shanks pony or the park and ride scheme, not least because it can take the best part of an hour to get out of the car park after a game.

But if park and ride is all there is, people will use it.

take all your points

there are buses that stop reasonably near the place, and no, we won't get 20,000 every week.

but surely its not if the site is suitable, its if it is MORE suitable than falmer(i might be wrong)- the fact that it has no train station nearby surely makes it less suitable?

 

[Ex Shelton Seagull]

Here's the criteria for trashing other sites:

) Is the site within the conurbation of Brighton and Hove, thereby complying with Football League requirements?
ii) Is site acquisition a realistic proposition?
iii) Is the site large enough for a 22,000-capacity community stadium together with a bus/coach park?
iv) Can a stadium be built without incurring unaffordable development costs on the site?
v) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any over-riding safety/stadium management problems?
vi) Are there any over-riding site-specific planning issues?
vii) Is the site accessible by sustainable modes of transport?
viii) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any unacceptable environmental impacts?
ix) Can a stadium be built on the site without any unacceptable visual impacts?

Now i've just run through those questions quite quickly and i've managed to dismiss all 7 sites in about 2 minutes using those questions!

) Is the site within the conurbation of Brighton and Hove, thereby complying with Football League requirements?

Is Shoreham Harbour in Brighton & Hove?

ii) Is site acquisition a realistic proposition?

Corals don't want to sell the Greyhound Stadium. Brighton Station already has planning permission given for a new Supermarket on the site.

iii) Is the site large enough for a 22,000-capacity community stadium together with a bus/coach park?

Anybody want to show me (using the laws of physics and without resorting to Wormhole theory) how you fit a 22,000 all seater stadium WITH coach park into Withdean? Without demolishing anything because that would violate criteria 2. Try and fit a stadium that size onto the site of the Greyhound Stadium while your at it.

iv) Can a stadium be built without incurring unaffordable development costs on the site?

There goes Waterhall. How much do train stations and new road links cost these days? Without building a new park&ride site and/or an commercial retail estate? Hasn't Sheepcote got a problem with waste buried under the site? Someone ask Madjeski how much those methane vents cost him. Doesn't Shoreham Harbour require a new access road?

v) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any over-riding safety/stadium management problems?

Another nail in Withdeans case. Do you think we could cram a 22,000 seater stadium where Withdean is and get a safety certificate? Will we have to put a ticketing operation in place to get people under the railway bridge?


vi) Are there any over-riding site-specific planning issues?

Ooops! Who wants to tell Hoile that Sainsbury's are starting construction on Brighton Station car-park? I'd say that's a bit of an issue.

vii) Is the site accessible by sustainable modes of transport?

What's the nearest station to Sheepcote Valley? In fact where's the nearest one to Toad's Hall Valley? Of course we could use buses. Hundreds and hundreds of buses. Or build a tramway system?

viii) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any unacceptable environmental impacts?

Oh dear. The Sussex Downsmen and their associated reactionary friends have been banging on for years telling us that Waterhall and Toad's Hall Valley are OUTSTANDING areas of Natural Beauty. Just like Falmer.
Ahem.
So in order to stop us "destroying" an AONB at Falmer, those conservation groups would have to support destroying another AONB! What a predicament!

ix) Can a stadium be built on the site without any unacceptable visual impacts?

Have you seen all those houses over-looking Toads Hall Valley? I think a stadium might be visible to them if we built it there. I should imagine the 6 tier stadium we'd have to build in Withdean might block a few windows as well. Same goes for the Greyhound Stadium.

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

thank you very much shelton

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

so there we have it-

all other sites are NOT SUITABLE

 

[Wardy]

Here's the criteria for trashing other sites:

) Is the site within the conurbation of Brighton and Hove, thereby complying with Football League requirements?
ii) Is site acquisition a realistic proposition?
iii) Is the site large enough for a 22,000-capacity community stadium together with a bus/coach park?
iv) Can a stadium be built without incurring unaffordable development costs on the site?
v) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any over-riding safety/stadium management problems?
vi) Are there any over-riding site-specific planning issues?
vii) Is the site accessible by sustainable modes of transport?
viii) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any unacceptable environmental impacts?
ix) Can a stadium be built on the site without any unacceptable visual impacts?

Now i've just run through those questions quite quickly and i've managed to dismiss all 7 sites in about 2 minutes using those questions!

) Is the site within the conurbation of Brighton and Hove, thereby complying with Football League requirements?

Is Shoreham Harbour in Brighton & Hove?

ii) Is site acquisition a realistic proposition?

Corals don't want to sell the Greyhound Stadium. Brighton Station already has planning permission given for a new Supermarket on the site.

iii) Is the site large enough for a 22,000-capacity community stadium together with a bus/coach park?

Anybody want to show me (using the laws of physics and without resorting to Wormhole theory) how you fit a 22,000 all seater stadium WITH coach park into Withdean? Without demolishing anything because that would violate criteria 2. Try and fit a stadium that size onto the site of the Greyhound Stadium while your at it.

iv) Can a stadium be built without incurring unaffordable development costs on the site?

There goes Waterhall. How much do train stations and new road links cost these days? Without building a new park&ride site and/or an commercial retail estate? Hasn't Sheepcote got a problem with waste buried under the site? Someone ask Madjeski how much those methane vents cost him. Doesn't Shoreham Harbour require a new access road?

v) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any over-riding safety/stadium management problems?

Another nail in Withdeans case. Do you think we could cram a 22,000 seater stadium where Withdean is and get a safety certificate? Will we have to put a ticketing operation in place to get people under the railway bridge?


vi) Are there any over-riding site-specific planning issues?

Ooops! Who wants to tell Hoile that Sainsbury's are starting construction on Brighton Station car-park? I'd say that's a bit of an issue.

vii) Is the site accessible by sustainable modes of transport?

What's the nearest station to Sheepcote Valley? In fact where's the nearest one to Toad's Hall Valley? Of course we could use buses. Hundreds and hundreds of buses. Or build a tramway system?

viii) Can a stadium be built on the site without resulting in any unacceptable environmental impacts?

Oh dear. The Sussex Downsmen and their associated reactionary friends have been banging on for years telling us that Waterhall and Toad's Hall Valley are OUTSTANDING areas of Natural Beauty. Just like Falmer.
Ahem.
So in order to stop us "destroying" an AONB at Falmer, those conservation groups would have to support destroying another AONB! What a predicament!

ix) Can a stadium be built on the site without any unacceptable visual impacts?

Have you seen all those houses over-looking Toads Hall Valley? I think a stadium might be visible to them if we built it there. I should imagine the 6 tier stadium we'd have to build in Withdean might block a few windows as well. Same goes for the Greyhound Stadium.

If that is the list then it looks like to me that Prescot knows that no other site is suitable, but is having this new wave of inquiry to cancel out an JR.

 

[Ex Shelton Seagull]

I'm sure that this list have been specifically designed to stiff every other proposed site. That 22,000 capacity stadium requirement destroys the NIMBY's favourite option of staying at Withdean. That's the option the Green Party favours and what most of the Falmer villagers suggested.
The Brighton & Hove requirement stops the nut-cases from wheeling out all kinds of crazy solutions. Anyone remember the old dear going on at the enquiry about the "Sussex Seagulls" playing at Gatwick? That stops any of that nonsense.

 

[Scotty Mac]

ok, looks like im wrong

falmer it is

 

[beorhthelm]

While i agree with ExSheltons critique, point 4 is open to interpetation. One mans unaffordable is a drop in the ocean to another. We need to help those opposed to Sheepcote, Toads Hole and Waterhall, and focus on the environmental problem for each of those sites.

We need to make a pact with the southdowns preservation group (whatever they're called) to oppose particulaly Waterhall and Toads Hole as sites for a stadium and *any* future development there, in return for their support for Falmer as the best of evils (in their eyes)

 

[beorhthelm]

(supposed to be an edit)

 

[ditchy]

but the fact that we'd have to spend loads of buses(as noone can go by train) means it is LESS suitable than falmer

true but not totally out of question...buses would not cost if bus company feel they can make a profit out of it

 

[Caveman]

Is cost a consideration for Prescott.

I mean you could build on Toads Hole but it will cost us loads, so does Prescott just say there you go build on the shit tip and you pay for it

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

Is cost a consideration for Prescott.

I mean you could build on Toads Hole but it will cost us loads, so does Prescott just say there you go build on the shit tip and you pay for it

cost is an issue

 

[Scoffers]

Nice, glad we've cleared that up folks !