Smoking in public places

[Two Professors]

Regardless of whether or not there is a roof, smokers spread their crap to everyone around them, hence they should be banned, and are banned. You cant appreciate just how disgusting it is unless you dont smoke.

Bet you find the smell of alcohol & pussy disgusting?

 

[clapham_gull]

there are 6 of us who dont go now to withdean because of the smoking ban

Good.

 

[jmsc]

Regardless of whether or not there is a roof, smokers spread their crap to everyone around them, hence they should be banned, and are banned. You cant appreciate just how disgusting it is unless you dont smoke.

Substitute the words 'car drivers' for the word 'smokers' and you'll see the truth about choice.

I wish all cars were banned, the pollution coming out of exhaust pipes is a hundred times more toxic than someone smoking!

At least you can't drive a car around the running track at Withdean I suppose.

 

[getofftheropes]

:US:yes it has affected my choice of saturday sports watching! i can go to county league footy and have a pint and a fag,the same with rugby and horse racing but the fa have gone overboard on this,would a small area at the back of the stands be so bad?

 

[cunning fergus]

Good.

I am not sure how long you have been a BHA fan but as a kid going to the Goldstone I can remember the smell of football matches..........a heady brew of pints, piss and pipes. Personally speaking I loved that unique smell, I knew I was at the match!

For 20 years or so I can recall that smell on the open East Terrace, the South Stand and in the North Stand and I cannot remember at any time BHA fans with your kind of attitude fronting up their fellow smoking fans who so I can only guess people like you were not going in those days?

On the broader subject the type of 100% smoking ban we have is manifestly childish; it denies adults a choice, and polarises atitudes amongst those less mature adults in a way which never happened before the ban..............your priggish comment demonstrates that to a tee.

Its also proving to be the thin end of the wedge as we are can see from the legions of unelected doctors, policeman and charity workers berating us with their tales of woe concerning the nation's drinking habits.

For us non smokers, we should actually be treating smokers as national heroes and encouraging many more to take up the habit. Generally speaking smokers voluntarily shorten their lives so us non smokers benefit, by inter alia paying less for life insurance and getting more pension when we retire.

Smokers will require NHS treatment for their related diseases but then they are contributing handsomely to HMT by paying £6 (is it these days) for a pack of fags. Arguably then its better that we pay for cancer treatment for (say) 2-3 years as oppose to increasing the costs for caring for non smokers with degenitatrive diseases like Parkinsons and Alzheimers which could see the physically fit (but mentally insane) non smokers lurking about for (say) 10-15 years.

Incidently (and helping to prove Godwins law) Adolf Hitler introduced a public smoking ban was in Germany in the 30s', he was a comitted anti smoker like you (even ordering fags airbrushed from posters), he was also similar in that regard with his fascist chums Mussolini and Franco.

So, an initial Nazi policy has now been introduced in the UK and Europe with your full support............................lest we forget the enduring image of Churchill and for that matter Stalin. Proof if proof was needed then that Facsists were not a completely bad lot after all................I am sure you would agree?

 

[skipper734]

I am not sure how long you have been a BHA fan but as a kid going to the Goldstone I can remember the smell of football matches..........a heady brew of pints, piss and pipes. Personally speaking I loved that unique smell, I knew I was at the match!

For 20 years or so I can recall that smell on the open East Terrace, the South Stand and in the North Stand and I cannot remember at any time BHA fans with your kind of attitude fronting up their fellow smoking fans who so I can only guess people like you were not going in those days?

On the broader subject the type of 100% smoking ban we have is manifestly childish; it denies adults a choice, and polarises atitudes amongst those less mature adults in a way which never happened before the ban..............your priggish comment demonstrates that to a tee.

Its also proving to be the thin end of the wedge as we are can see from the legions of unelected doctors, policeman and charity workers berating us with their tales of woe concerning the nation's drinking habits.

For us non smokers, we should actually be treating smokers as national heroes and encouraging many more to take up the habit. Generally speaking smokers voluntarily shorten their lives so us non smokers benefit, by inter alia paying less for life insurance and getting more pension when we retire.

Smokers will require NHS treatment for their related diseases but then they are contributing handsomely to HMT by paying £6 (is it these days) for a pack of fags. Arguably then its better that we pay for cancer treatment for (say) 2-3 years as oppose to increasing the costs for caring for non smokers with degenitatrive diseases like Parkinsons and Alzheimers which could see the physically fit (but mentally insane) non smokers lurking about for (say) 10-15 years.

Incidently (and helping to prove Godwins law) Adolf Hitler introduced a public smoking ban was in Germany in the 30s', he was a comitted anti smoker like you (even ordering fags airbrushed from posters), he was also similar in that regard with his fascist chums Mussolini and Franco.

So, an initial Nazi policy has now been introduced in the UK and Europe with your full support............................lest we forget the enduring image of Churchill and for that matter Stalin. Proof if proof was needed then that Facsists were not a completely bad lot after all................I am sure you would agree?

:hammer:

 

[wellquickwoody]

I am not sure how long you have been a BHA fan but as a kid going to the Goldstone I can remember the smell of football matches..........a heady brew of pints, piss and pipes. Personally speaking I loved that unique smell, I knew I was at the match!

For 20 years or so I can recall that smell on the open East Terrace, the South Stand and in the North Stand and I cannot remember at any time BHA fans with your kind of attitude fronting up their fellow smoking fans who so I can only guess people like you were not going in those days?

On the broader subject the type of 100% smoking ban we have is manifestly childish; it denies adults a choice, and polarises atitudes amongst those less mature adults in a way which never happened before the ban..............your priggish comment demonstrates that to a tee.

Its also proving to be the thin end of the wedge as we are can see from the legions of unelected doctors, policeman and charity workers berating us with their tales of woe concerning the nation's drinking habits.

For us non smokers, we should actually be treating smokers as national heroes and encouraging many more to take up the habit. Generally speaking smokers voluntarily shorten their lives so us non smokers benefit, by inter alia paying less for life insurance and getting more pension when we retire.

Smokers will require NHS treatment for their related diseases but then they are contributing handsomely to HMT by paying £6 (is it these days) for a pack of fags. Arguably then its better that we pay for cancer treatment for (say) 2-3 years as oppose to increasing the costs for caring for non smokers with degenitatrive diseases like Parkinsons and Alzheimers which could see the physically fit (but mentally insane) non smokers lurking about for (say) 10-15 years.

Incidently (and helping to prove Godwins law) Adolf Hitler introduced a public smoking ban was in Germany in the 30s', he was a comitted anti smoker like you (even ordering fags airbrushed from posters), he was also similar in that regard with his fascist chums Mussolini and Franco.

So, an initial Nazi policy has now been introduced in the UK and Europe with your full support............................lest we forget the enduring image of Churchill and for that matter Stalin. Proof if proof was needed then that Facsists were not a completely bad lot after all................I am sure you would agree?

Absolutely Stunning!:mexican:

 

[bhaexpress]

I'm an ex-smoker who has no problem with people smoking in the open air. In a confined space is a different matter but a football stadium, especially Withdean what's the problem ?

 

[GT49er]

I am not sure how long you have been a BHA fan but as a kid going to the Goldstone I can remember the smell of football matches..........a heady brew of pints, piss and pipes. Personally speaking I loved that unique smell, I knew I was at the match!

For 20 years or so I can recall that smell on the open East Terrace, the South Stand and in the North Stand and I cannot remember at any time BHA fans with your kind of attitude fronting up their fellow smoking fans who so I can only guess people like you were not going in those days?

On the broader subject the type of 100% smoking ban we have is manifestly childish; it denies adults a choice, and polarises atitudes amongst those less mature adults in a way which never happened before the ban..............your priggish comment demonstrates that to a tee.

Its also proving to be the thin end of the wedge as we are can see from the legions of unelected doctors, policeman and charity workers berating us with their tales of woe concerning the nation's drinking habits.

For us non smokers, we should actually be treating smokers as national heroes and encouraging many more to take up the habit. Generally speaking smokers voluntarily shorten their lives so us non smokers benefit, by inter alia paying less for life insurance and getting more pension when we retire.

Smokers will require NHS treatment for their related diseases but then they are contributing handsomely to HMT by paying £6 (is it these days) for a pack of fags. Arguably then its better that we pay for cancer treatment for (say) 2-3 years as oppose to increasing the costs for caring for non smokers with degenitatrive diseases like Parkinsons and Alzheimers which could see the physically fit (but mentally insane) non smokers lurking about for (say) 10-15 years.

Incidently (and helping to prove Godwins law) Adolf Hitler introduced a public smoking ban was in Germany in the 30s', he was a comitted anti smoker like you (even ordering fags airbrushed from posters), he was also similar in that regard with his fascist chums Mussolini and Franco.

So, an initial Nazi policy has now been introduced in the UK and Europe with your full support............................lest we forget the enduring image of Churchill and for that matter Stalin. Proof if proof was needed then that Facsists were not a completely bad lot after all................I am sure you would agree?

Bang on! Right behind you all the way on this one. The ASH (Anti-Smoking Hysteria) brigade really do make total prats of themselves sometimes - "Please do not smoke outside this building in warm weather as your tobacco smoke may drift in through an open window upstairs. Kindly go to the other side of the bye-pass so we can enjoy the diesel fumes untainted by the faintest whiff of tobacco!"

 

[clapham_gull]

I am not sure how long you have been a BHA fan but as a kid going to the Goldstone I can remember the smell of football matches..........a heady brew of pints, piss and pipes. Personally speaking I loved that unique smell, I knew I was at the match!

For 20 years or so I can recall that smell on the open East Terrace, the South Stand and in the North Stand and I cannot remember at any time BHA fans with your kind of attitude fronting up their fellow smoking fans who so I can only guess people like you were not going in those days?

On the broader subject the type of 100% smoking ban we have is manifestly childish; it denies adults a choice, and polarises atitudes amongst those less mature adults in a way which never happened before the ban..............your priggish comment demonstrates that to a tee.

Its also proving to be the thin end of the wedge as we are can see from the legions of unelected doctors, policeman and charity workers berating us with their tales of woe concerning the nation's drinking habits.

For us non smokers, we should actually be treating smokers as national heroes and encouraging many more to take up the habit. Generally speaking smokers voluntarily shorten their lives so us non smokers benefit, by inter alia paying less for life insurance and getting more pension when we retire.

Smokers will require NHS treatment for their related diseases but then they are contributing handsomely to HMT by paying £6 (is it these days) for a pack of fags. Arguably then its better that we pay for cancer treatment for (say) 2-3 years as oppose to increasing the costs for caring for non smokers with degenitatrive diseases like Parkinsons and Alzheimers which could see the physically fit (but mentally insane) non smokers lurking about for (say) 10-15 years.

Incidently (and helping to prove Godwins law) Adolf Hitler introduced a public smoking ban was in Germany in the 30s', he was a comitted anti smoker like you (even ordering fags airbrushed from posters), he was also similar in that regard with his fascist chums Mussolini and Franco.

So, an initial Nazi policy has now been introduced in the UK and Europe with your full support............................lest we forget the enduring image of Churchill and for that matter Stalin. Proof if proof was needed then that Facsists were not a completely bad lot after all................I am sure you would agree?

Oh dear oh dear.

I wished you'd sat in the South Stand a few seasons ago and sat behind the couple who chain smoked throughout the entire game.

In 90 minutes they would get through a packet of 20 between them. Their poor young daughter sitting between them was literally crying with smoke going in her eyes, even asking her parents to try and make the smoke go in a different direction.

My elderly father (who suffered with bad breathing anyway), also had to endure it. His (and their daughter's) persistant coughing wasn't enough for the selfish couple to pack it in or wait till half time.

Watching a young child plead with her parents not to smoke in her face was enough for me, but I'm sure you can drum up some elequent words to defend them although they will probably lazily contain the tired old chesnut about Hitler not liking smoking. He didn't like eating meat either, so perhaps Vegetarians are secret members of the Third Reich too ? Yawn....

Anyway, back to the unique smell of a child having smoke blown in her face, oh the romance ! I can see Alan Bennett crying over his tea and crumpets about the loss to the nation of this anti-social behaivour.

Personally smoking doesn't bother me at all, but the young and elderly in such a situation it can be extremely uncomfortable. But I suspect those words are a bit wasted on you, since those who try and defend such "freedoms" are actually doing so from an inherently selfish position. It's easy to jump on the "Human Rights" bandwagon, it can be applied to any human activity however anti-social.

I have no trouble with people smoking away from the seats, but I'm not sure smokers can be trusted to obey the rules, just like the fans who were smoking at Millwall.

 

[cunning fergus]

Oh dear oh dear.

I wished you'd sat in the South Stand a few seasons ago and sat behind the couple who chain smoked throughout the entire game.

In 90 minutes they would get through a packet of 20 between them. Their poor young daughter sitting between them was literally crying with smoke going in her eyes, even asking her parents to try and make the smoke go in a different direction.

My elderly father (who suffered with bad breathing anyway), also had to endure it. His (and their daughter's) persistant coughing wasn't enough for the selfish couple to pack it in or wait till half time.

Watching a young child plead with her parents not to smoke in her face was enough for me, but I'm sure you can drum up some elequent words to defend them although they will probably lazily contain the tired old chesnut about Hitler not liking smoking. He didn't like eating meat either, so perhaps Vegetarians are secret members of the Third Reich too ? Yawn....

Anyway, back to the unique smell of a child having smoke blown in her face, oh the romance ! I can see Alan Bennett crying over his tea and crumpets about the loss to the nation of this anti-social behaivour.

Personally smoking doesn't bother me at all, but the young and elderly in such a situation it can be extremely uncomfortable. But I suspect those words are a bit wasted on you, since those who try and defend such "freedoms" are actually doing so from an inherently selfish position. It's easy to jump on the "Human Rights" bandwagon, it can be applied to any human activity however anti-social.

I have no trouble with people smoking away from the seats, but I'm not sure smokers can be trusted to obey the rules, just like the fans who were smoking at Millwall.

Hold the bus, it was you who posted ‘good’ to a post from another BHA fan who explained that he and 5 other BHA fans no longer go to Withdean because of the prevailing no smoking policy. As a matter of fact I think it’s tragic that fans do not attend for the sake of some pragmatism regarding the current smoking policy, you on the other hand were delighted. Your lazy attempt to justify your post by dragging out the old chestnuts about the weak chested elderly and the young are tiresome too……………..yawn.
The fact of the matter is that smokers have towed the line in relation to the current ban, there has been no widespread disobedience. So what is reprehensible to me as a freedom loving libertarian is the lack of choice for smokers; if someone wants to leave the ground for a fag let them out and let them back if they have their ticket.
If the club cannot do that (for whatever reason) then set aside a smoking area, I would think smokers would have no difficulty with a no smoking policy in the seats……………..you, your dad and that couple’s daughter would not be affected.
There is my point then, provide a choice, just like it should be with the pubs. Those that serve food should be no smoking, those that don’t can choose. Publicans are capitalists not social workers and they will go where the money takes them………………at least then we will see just how many ‘wet’ pubs rely on their new non smoking punters.
That is also why my reference to the fascists is relevant although I am not surprised that it’s lost on people like you. I used to drink (note the past tense) in a local ex-Servicemen Club, a few years ago, it was very down at heel, very working class and packed to the gunnels on a Sunday with old soldiers swapping tales and talking bollocks over a few pints and a game of crib.
These weak chested old gents to a man were furious with the ban when it was introduced and amongst the ranks of these decrepit asthmatics were those who had actually fought against the fascist hordes led by those anti smokers Messer’s Hitler and Mussolini. The irony that they were now denied the freedom to smoke their fags and pipes amongst their comrades despite fighting for ‘freedom’ was lost on their local council who rejected the appeal that as a private members club they should be exempt. No doubt you would be delighted with the decision.

 

[clapham_gull]

Hold the bus, it was you who posted ‘good’ to a post from another BHA fan who explained that he and 5 other BHA fans no longer go to Withdean because of the prevailing no smoking policy. As a matter of fact I think it’s tragic that fans do not attend for the sake of some pragmatism regarding the current smoking policy, you on the other hand were delighted. Your lazy attempt to justify your post by dragging out the old chestnuts about the weak chested elderly and the young are tiresome too……………..yawn.
The fact of the matter is that smokers have towed the line in relation to the current ban, there has been no widespread disobedience. So what is reprehensible to me as a freedom loving libertarian is the lack of choice for smokers; if someone wants to leave the ground for a fag let them out and let them back if they have their ticket.
If the club cannot do that (for whatever reason) then set aside a smoking area, I would think smokers would have no difficulty with a no smoking policy in the seats……………..you, your dad and that couple’s daughter would not be affected.
There is my point then, provide a choice, just like it should be with the pubs. Those that serve food should be no smoking, those that don’t can choose. Publicans are capitalists not social workers and they will go where the money takes them………………at least then we will see just how many ‘wet’ pubs rely on their new non smoking punters.
That is also why my reference to the fascists is relevant although I am not surprised that it’s lost on people like you. I used to drink (note the past tense) in a local ex-Servicemen Club, a few years ago, it was very down at heel, very working class and packed to the gunnels on a Sunday with old soldiers swapping tales and talking bollocks over a few pints and a game of crib.
These weak chested old gents to a man were furious with the ban when it was introduced and amongst the ranks of these decrepit asthmatics were those who had actually fought against the fascist hordes led by those anti smokers Messer’s Hitler and Mussolini. The irony that they were now denied the freedom to smoke their fags and pipes amongst their comrades despite fighting for ‘freedom’ was lost on their local council who rejected the appeal that as a private members club they should be exempt. No doubt you would be delighted with the decision.

I had no idea the smoking ban was so closely connected to the Second World War.

Next week from Fergus, the seat belt law and it's negative effect on the survivors of the Titantic.

 

[cunning fergus]

I had no idea the smoking ban was so closely connected to the Second World War.

Next week from Fergus, the seat belt law and it's negative effect on the survivors of the Titantic.

Oh I see...........well I will put something together so long as you could draft something too.................how about, Clapham Gull, my life as a smug twat.

Sill at least that clears up why that poor couple needed to get through 20 fags per match....................if i had to sit in front of you listening to your conceit for 90 minutes or so every other week I would probably take a bag of brown.

 

[dougdeep]

When all else fails the smokers fall back on the "We pay for the NHS with our taxes" You are in the minority at last and majorities rule.