Should there be a limit to how many foreigners play in each team??

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

Ok, i've been thinking (dangerous i know!!) , but, the conclusion ive come to as to why the english football team are playing so badly, is the limited choice we have, and why is that? because the likes of chelsea and manchester united are playing 8 or 9 foreigners all the time! the amount of english goalkeepers in the premiership is shocking - and that has reflected on the national side.

Surely, with a cap on the amount of foreigners playing, there will be a greater chance of better english players coming through - that have just been left to languish in the reserves or in the youth teams.

But, if this happens, will it be against a European law? The thing im thinking of is the internal market, where everyone in the eu is allowed to work in any country they choose.

Does anyone agree with me?

 

[Uncle Buck]

If they are from an EU country, then there is nothing that you can do about it, coupled with the fact that an awful lot of players from non EU countries can get an EU Passport via their parents or grand parents past, I think most of them are here to stay.

 

[Marc]

Trouble is now that we are (sort of ) part of the EU the work regulations mean that anyone can work where they want in the EU constitution...meaning the FA cannot put laws into the game, they can for other countries but seeing as most foreign players are from the EU its a no no



Should've been dealt with years ago but either way the EU have screwed that possibility up. The only way to to encourage Prem managers to buy English/British - but they wont!

 

[Easy 10]

Abso-bloody-lutely.
Teams should not be allowed to have any more than 6 non-British nationals on the field of play at any one time. As far as European employment laws go, clubs shoul still be allowed to sign and employ as many foreigners as they like for the squad. But when it comes to the match, they should only be allowed to field a maximum of 6 at any one time (including subs). That way, there's no restriction in trade and employment of foreigners, but the clubs will have to be much more choosy about the foreigners they bring in. There will be a greater emphasis on youth development, and the game as a whole will be far healthier.

Sadly, there's too much money to be made in the trade of foreign players, so it'll never happen.

 

[Easy 10]

oops

 

[zefarelly]

absolutely . . . .the EU work scenario can f*** right off . . .yes generally working wise its fine, but the FA should lobby the government as its in the interests of the national sport to have a strong English league . . .at the end of the day its up to the Managers and directors of the clubs who they employ, and a minimum of 8 in each side should be English IMHO

 

[Barnet Seagull]

ah, but isn't that a barrier to trade?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Abso-bloody-lutely.
But when it comes to the match, they should only be allowed to field a maximum of 6 at any one time (including subs). That way, there's no restriction in trade and employment of foreigners, but the clubs will have to be much more choosy about the foreigners they bring in.

That surely goes against the Treaty of Rome, as you are still putting a restriction on these people plying their trade.

I would have thought that with the top clubs less interested in nuturing home grown talent, the question should be why or more clubs not going down the Crewe route and tapping into and developing the talent that the big clubs are not interested in and then flogging it back to them. Classic example being Neil Lennon. United not interested, Crewe took him on, developed him and flogged him to Leicester.

 

[Marshy]

agree entirely BAG, but getting our way is immpossible now.

 

[Easy 10]

ah, but isn't that a barrier to trade?

Not at all.
If clubs are told "you can sign as many foreigners as you like, but you can only field a maximum of 6 during a match", then there IS no restriction in trade - the only restriction is within the game itself, out on the pitch.

The foreign players who are not part of the XI on a Saturday are still employed by the club. They are still picking up a wage from the club. They are still available for selection if they are deemed good enough. So there really is no barrier to the trade of these players, as the best ones will still sign for clubs over here and make it into the team.

It just means that the game is looking after its own best interests as well.

 

[Easy 10]

That surely goes against the Treaty of Rome, as you are still putting a restriction on these people plying their trade.

No more than you are restricting the likes of David Lee from plying his trade by leaving him in the ressies cos he's shit.

If we're saying that you must have at least 6 British nationals in the team, then if that foreign player is good enough, he'll be in the team as one of the 5 allowed. Its just competition for places.

 

[Uncle Buck]

No more than you are restricting the likes of David Lee from plying his trade by leaving him in the ressies cos he's shit.

If we're saying that you must have at least 6 British nationals in the team, then if that foreign player is good enough, he'll be in the team as one of the 5 allowed. Its just competition for places.

By having it as a written agreement within the league rules, it is a restriction of trade. If the clubs have a sly agreement then fine, but you no that nobody would stick to it.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

it wouldnt be a restriction of trade, because theyre being payed for it, would it?

 

[Uncle Buck]

it wouldnt be a restriction of trade, because theyre being payed for it, would it?

If it was put into the rules that due to them not being English they cannot play, it would be a restriction of trade.

Cricket has a rule that only 2 overseas players can play, however the clubs have got round this, Sussex in particular, but signing foreign players entilled to EU passports and there is nothing the ECB can do about it, as it would a restriction on trade to prevent them from playing.

 

[fatbadger]

I've always found it disgusting having all these players from all over the place who have no connection (other than a pay packet) to the team they are representing. I think there should be a cap of, say, 6, on the number of non-Brightonians allowed to play for the Albion.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

agree entirely BAG, but getting our way is immpossible now.

<-------- I beg to differ ( my avatar provides the solution).

Besides there should be no problem limiting the amount of foreigners in the 1st XI as it's no different from limiting say the amount of strikers allowed in the team etc.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

ok - i didnt start this thread to turn political!!!! i am argued out to explain why it is good to be in the eu.

 

[fatbadger]

<-------- I beg to differ ( my avatar provides the solution).

Besides there should be no problem limiting the amount of foreigners in the 1st XI as it's no different from limiting say the amount of strikers allowed in the team etc.

Surely how many strikers there are in the team is a tactical choice - just like the decision over which players to pick, foreign or otherwise?

 

[fatbadger]

One other thing - everybody has remarked on the improvement in the performances of Lampard and Ashley Cole, two of our brightest sparks in Euro2004. And aren't both at clubs packed full of foreign players? And haven't they themselves said that (a) playing with the best the world has to offer, and (b) competing for places in a starting 11 with various imports, are the causes for the improvement in their game?

 

[Uncle Buck]

One other thing - everybody has remarked on the improvement in the performances of Lampard and Ashley Cole, two of our brightest sparks in Euro2004. And aren't both at clubs packed full of foreign players? And haven't they themselves said that (a) playing with the best the world has to offer, and (b) competing for places in a starting 11 with various imports, are the causes for the improvement in their game?

No no no, we want Jonny Foreigner out and players of the standard of Terry Fenwick and Mark Hatley back in the national side, it is the way forward, everything was fine until this influx of strange tongues hit our technically superior league....