Should Sven be SACKED ?

[Marc]

Ah well theres always the 2008 Euro Sven.

nah Tony Adams will be in charge by then

 

[REDLAND]

nah Tony Adams will be in charge by then

 

[Easy 10]

I can see a glorious defeat in 2006 against Holland in the quarter finals when we have a player unfairly sent off and we manage to hold the 1-0 lead until the 88th minute when an unfair penalty is awarded against us.

Needless to say in extra time we " heroically " defend this lead with 10 men but needless to say lose on penalties.

Ah well theres always the 2008 Euro Sven.

Absolutely.
Never mind the quality. FEEL the hard-luck stories.

 

[perth seagull]

Absolutely.
Never mind the quality. FEEL the hard-luck stories.

So why criticise Sven for this? Losing on penalties has been happening to England since 1990! It is nothing new to Sven and he can't be blamed for it!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

It shouldn't have got to penalties after we were 1-0 up and the talent we had in mdifield and up front. Sven blew it by adopting the usual defend a lead for the whole game attitude.

 

[Spiros]

Sorry Easy, I can't agree. Eriksson has made some mistakes during his time as England manager but until there is a real alternative, what would be achieved by sacking him? Unless Arsene Wenger stands up and says the England job is the one he really wants you are doing no more than those who come on this board and put up threads saying 'Dick Knight Out' without ever offering any serious alternative.

I'm not convinced that Martin O'Neill would either want the job or do any better (sorry Marshy) and I'm certainly not convinced that Wenger would do it. So who would you have? Until you know who is going to do the job, what's the point in sacking Eriksson? He may not be doing the job perfectly but his record is pretty good - 25 competitive matches, 3 defeats (1st to team who went on to win World Cup, 2nd to then-current Euro champions and 3rd to strong host nation).

The manner of defeat against Brazil and Portugal was disappointing, but had far more to do with individual player performances than with managerial tactics IMHO

 

[Marshy]

the point of sacking him is were not going anywhere with him.
At least we would have some new ideas maybe.

And until we offer people like Wenger or O'Neill the job we dont know, they might just go for it.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Right now there is only one man who could do the job properly - Arsene Wenger.

Wenger is the only man who has the intelligence and who commands enough respect to bring Premiership-style pace and flair to the England team. He is tailor-made for the position.

There are no other candidates that are any good. Therefore, I would hope someone at the FA has a word off the record to line him up. If this is after the World Cup 2006 then keep Sven until then.

Sven is OK but I think a change of captain would help more than a change of manager, assuming we couldn't get Wenger now. Gerrard would make a good captain, and I think that change should be made now and Sven should give Beckham some time to sort his life out.

 

[Easy 10]

Sorry Easy, I can't agree. Eriksson has made some mistakes during his time as England manager but until there is a real alternative, what would be achieved by sacking him? Unless Arsene Wenger stands up and says the England job is the one he really wants you are doing no more than those who come on this board and put up threads saying 'Dick Knight Out' without ever offering any serious alternative.Euro champions and 3rd to strong host nation)

As most of us accept, Dick Knight is doing a damned fine job with incredibly limited resources, so anyone calling for him to go will quite rightly earn scorn, derision, ridicule and humiliation. Completely different argument, and not really relevent to this debate.

The England job is both prestigeous and well paid, so I don't think the FA would have problems attracting some credible, quality applications for it. Why should we stick with an under-achieving coach just because the answer for his replacement isn't staring us in the face right now ? I say again, I have no problem with us appointing a foreign coach with the right credentials. Its the FA's job to put some feelers out and see who's up for it.
Failure should have a price, but instead, everyone at the FA is falling over themselves to proclaim how wonderful Sven is.

Its bollocks. He's crap.

 

[Marc]

As most of us accept, Dick Knight is doing a damned fine job with incredibly limited resources, so anyone calling for him to go will quite rightly earn scorn, derision, ridicule and humiliation. Completely different argument, and not really relevent to this debate.

The England job is both prestigeous and well paid, so I don't think the FA would have problems attracting some credible, quality applications for it. Why should we stick with an under-achieving coach just because the answer for his replacement isn't staring us in the face right now ? I say again, I have no problem with us appointing a foreign coach with the right credentials. Its the FA's job to put some feelers out and see who's up for it.
Failure should have a price, but instead, everyone at the FA is falling over themselves to proclaim how wonderful Sven is.

Its bollocks. He's crap.

so saying that then Easy we should sack our manager everytime we fail in a tournament....meaning we'd have a different manager every two years and no stability at all!

You've made your point and brought a good discussion for todays "working" day and shown us your opinion which is what NSC is all about, and for that I thankyou, these debates (much like my Punching Woman thread on Friday) help us get through as our shitty jobs, so until I/we get better jobs keep them coming!

Thankyou Easy for the debate, may it continue until the next one

 

[Easy 10]

so saying that then Easy we should sack our manager everytime we fail in a tournament....meaning we'd have a different manager every two years and no stability at all!

You've made your point and brought a good discussion for todays "working" day and shown us your opinion which is what NSC is all about, and for that I thankyou, these debates (much like my Punching Woman thread on Friday) help us get through as our shitty jobs, so until I/we get better jobs keep them coming!

Thankyou Easy for the debate, may it continue until the next one

PUNCHING WOMEN ? What HAVE you been up to Crabbers ?

Anyway, no, I don't think we should sack a manager every time we fail to win a tournament. But I think its quite reasonable to sack a manager when we go out of 2 tournaments in a row for the same reason. We need progress. We need a manager who can motivate the players. And we need a manager who has the balls to make changes in personnel and tactics when things arn't working properly.

Against Portugal, the midfield was a disgrace, and the coach did nothing about it. The players and the manager are BOTH culpible for this, but the root of the problem, in my opinion, is Eriksson.

 

[MRRF 10]

my opinion:

Bye sven

 

[Uncle Buck]

my opinion:

Bye sven

Please what cracks. He has the support of the players, the media have not really gone for him like they did for Robson after Euro 88 and in fairness the FA stood by Robson and he got to us to within a penalty kick of the final.

You are entiltled to your opinions, but I do think that you are struggling to find facts to back them up.

 

[fatbadger]

How many scapegoats do we need, for God's sake?

 

[Uncle Buck]

How many scapegoats do we need, for God's sake?

It is the English mentality, blame somebody.

 

[Strike]

At least we are doing better than 5 years ago, when we used to go out the 2nd Round of the World Cup and the First Round of Euro 2000, i prefer this to 5 years ago. We are doing much better than 5 years ago. So I say keep him.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

1992 - World Cup Semi Finals - Robson
1996 - European Cup semi finals - Venables

2002 - World Cup quarter finals - Ericson
2004 - European Cup quarter finals - Ericson

£ 5000000 a year to produce worse results. Good for him if he can get someone mug enought, ie the FA to cough up £ 500000 a year for producing absolutely nothing but he is rubbish and has acheived nothing for England in 4 years.

 

[Beach Hut]

Only if there is a viable alternative which doesn't seem likely at present.

 

[Easy 10]

Only if there is a viable alternative which doesn't seem likely at present.

The alternatives would become apparent if we were seeking a change. Scolari certainly seems to be able to galvanise a team and get the best out of them - he kicked a few Portugese arses after that Greek defeat and put them back on track bloody sharpish didn't he. Think Sven would have made wholesale changes to the team after an opening game defeat, and subbed the captain if he was playing shit ? Naah, me neither. THATS managing - not sticking with the tried and trusted and just hoping to christ it all works out.

Whats Capello up to ? Always rated him as a no-nonsense coach with a proven track record. Wenger would be a tremendous coup, although he seems very happy at Arsenal. Worth a nibble though isn't he ?

Alternatives ARE out there - we shouldn't be blinkered into thinking Sven is the be-all and end-all. The world is full of talented, experienced, tactically astute coaches. And with the players we have at International level, I don't think many of them would take much persuading.

 

[Beach Hut]

Can the FA afford to dismiss him ?

Unlikely - you lot won't be saying this after 2006 when we win the World Cup