[Politics] Shoreham Pilot - Flying Licence Appeal Rejected 17/10/2024

[Cotton Socks]

Didn't he claim something random that he blacked out which was the reason for the crash & doesn't remember anything?
I know there are genuine occasions that people have blacked out at the wheel of a car (heart attack or seizure, that kind of thing) & fatalities have been caused.
I don't remember a time when someone has been banned from driving after causing 11 fatalities through an unknown medical incident, where they've begged to have their driving license back.
It's not as if his job depends on it, he wants to do it as a f**king hobby!!!
My loved ones were far to close to being involved in that. Mr Schilt was my form tutor when Jacob was born, he let it slip that he was very happy (he was quite strict).
I can't see it as 'arrogance' from Hill for wanting to fly again (for fun), he must have a psychological disorder that goes far further than 'arrogance'.
I don't think there are many (any) of us on this forum that after being responsible for the deaths of 11 people would want to go and attempt to do anything that could potentially cause the deaths of anyone else for a 'hobby'.
Ok, I can see why he did everything he could to not go to prison but to be blatant enough to continue to want to fly above peoples heads, with no remorse or guilt says that he has psychological problems. I don't think they'd give a gun back to someone in the US if they'd killed 11 people with it & everyone can have a gun over there.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Didn't he claim something random that he blacked out which was the reason for the crash & doesn't remember anything?
I know there are genuine occasions that people have blacked out at the wheel of a car (heart attack or seizure, that kind of thing) & fatalities have been caused.
I don't remember a time when someone has been banned from driving after causing 11 fatalities through an unknown medical incident, where they've begged to have their driving license back.
It's not as if his job depends on it, he wants to do it as a f**king hobby!!!
My loved ones were far to close to being involved in that. Mr Schilt was my form tutor when Jacob was born, he let it slip that he was very happy (he was quite strict).
I can't see it as 'arrogance' from Hill for wanting to fly again (for fun), he must have a psychological disorder that goes far further than 'arrogance'.
I don't think there are many (any) of us on this forum that after being responsible for the deaths of 11 people would want to go and attempt to do anything that could potentially cause the deaths of anyone else for a 'hobby'.
Ok, I can see why he did everything he could to not go to prison but to be blatant enough to continue to want to fly above peoples heads, with no remorse or guilt says that he has psychological problems. I don't think they'd give a gun back to someone in the US if they'd killed 11 people with it & everyone can have a gun over there.

He claimed "cognitive impairment". A cop-out of the highest order.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

The stng in the tail is that the report states that he could apply for a licence in another country. if a foreign licence were granted, would it have to be honoured in the UK or do all non British international airline pilots have to have a UK licence?

No, it doesn't work like that. Each country had its own licensing authority, not disimilar to driving licenses.

I did 5 years at CAA Gatwick which ended with 9/11. Okay, this was 25 years ago and things may have changed (alot). Back then I was working on a Joint (European) Aviation Authority licencing system for all air crew. A collection of all the major European countries CAA equivalents.

Effectively, a Lufthansa pilot could fly in UK airspace and land in UK airports if they hold the equivalent German flying license with type rating. Same for all other European pilots / nationalities, which lead to concerns over standards. So the JAA set out to make all things equal. 9/11 happened before it all went live, I left, so no idea where it all ended up.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

No, it doesn't work like that. Each country had its own licensing authority, not disimilar to driving licenses.

I did 5 years at CAA Gatwick which ended with 9/11. Okay, this was 25 years ago and things may have changed (alot). Back then I was working on a Joint (European) Aviation Authority licencing system for all air crew. A collection of all the major European countries CAA equivalents.

Effectively, a Lufthansa pilot could fly in UK airspace and land in UK airports if they hold the equivalent German flying license with type rating. Same for all other European pilots / nationalities, which lead to concerns over standards. So the JAA set out to make all things equal. 9/11 happened before it all went live, I left, so no idea where it all ended up.

There are differences for pilots flying passenger airliners and those seeking to get a Private Pilots Licence to fly for pleasure. Obviously those flying across borders regularly for work can’t obtain licences in all those counties so there has to be something more centralised.

However the rules are different for PPLs issued overseas and pilots are limited in what they can do before they have to apply to convert it to one issued by the CAA. Which obviously he isn’t going to get even if he does obtain a licence through overseas. His chances of flying in the UK again are almost zero and you’d hope any foreign aviation authority would follow the CAA decision.