Sheffield Wednesday - HMRC Winding Up Order

[Barrel of Fun]

BBC Sport - Football - Dundee FC fail to pay player and staff wages

HMRC is seeking payment for the period between January and April 2010, when the club failed to pay their PAYE and National Insurance bill.

However, the taxman could lose out entirely with the club owing around £1.6m to directors Melville, Bob Brannan and landlord John Bennett in soft loans.

 

[Gwylan]

I always seem to remember our wingers in 1967-68 being Tiger Tawse and Wally Gould, with Armstrong and Wilkinson coming a little later .. long before Peter O'Sullivan

Armstrong was later but Wilkinson arrived in the summer of 1966. That was my first season but Jim Oliver was playing on the wing in my first game (in fact he scored the first goal I saw scored by a Brighton player)

Tony Towner's first game was February 1972 - it was when we were on our long losing streak and Saward threw in the youngsters.

We had Bert Murray in between Wilkinson and Towner.

BTW, Brian Tawse is back in Brighton and working at a cab firm according to a cabbie I was talking to

 

[severnside gull]

Armstrong was later but Wilkinson arrived in the summer of 1966. That was my first season but Jim Oliver was playing on the wing in my first game (in fact he scored the first goal I saw scored by a Brighton player)

Tony Towner's first game was February 1972 - it was when we were on our long losing streak and Saward threw in the youngsters.

We had Bert Murray in between Wilkinson and Towner.

BTW, Brian Tawse is back in Brighton and working at a cab firm according to a cabbie I was talking to

Wally Gould was just coming to the end of his career - had those 2 great seasons 66 and 67 when he was supplying the ammunition for Kit Napier - both ended up in South Africa I believe (certainly Kit but I think I read on here that Wally was also in Durban)

 

[Gwylan]

Wally Gould was just coming to the end of his career - had those 2 great seasons 66 and 67 when he was supplying the ammunition for Kit Napier - both ended up in South Africa I believe (certainly Kit but I think I read on here that Wally was also in Durban)

It's often forgotten that Gould was top scorer in Bobby Smith's season in 64/65 - Wally Gould bagged quite a few goals for Brighton. He also scored in the Cup game against Chelsea in 1967.

Gould, Tawse and Napier all ended up in South Africa.

 

[severnside gull]

Dave Armstrong 1968-70 (44 appearances/6 goals)
Wally Gould 63-68 (168/45)
Brian Tawse 65-70 (102/14)
Jim Oliver 64-68 (43/6)
Howard Wilkinson 66-71 (129/18)


edit: forgot Bert Murray (from 1970) - true legend!

 

[Gwylan]

Dave Armstrong 1968-70 (44 appearences/6 goals)
Wally Gould 63-68 (168/45)
Brian Tawse 65-70 (102/14)
Jim Oliver 64-68 (43/6)
Howard Wilkinson 66-71 (129/18)

I'm amazed Armstrong scored 6 goals

Tawse and Wilko didn't have bad scoring records for wingers.

 

[Lord Bamber]

This is two threads in one.

Historic Albion

I always seem to remember our wingers in 1967-68 being Tiger Tawse and Wally Gould, with Armstrong and Wilkinson coming a little later .. long before Peter O'Sullivan

Badly run club

BBC Sport - Football - Dundee FC fail to pay player and staff wages

HMRC is seeking payment for the period between January and April 2010, when the club failed to pay their PAYE and National Insurance bill.

However, the taxman could lose out entirely with the club owing around £1.6m to directors Melville, Bob Brannan and landlord John Bennett in soft loans.

lurches from one to the other.

How much would the ground be worth?

 

[severnside gull]

How much would the ground be worth?

Depends on whether you could get planning permission for change of use (as we well know) and politically that is unlikely in the current climate. It will however have a considerable book value enabling the owners (the club) to support substantial borrowing and to continue trading. The issue then, as they are currently experiencing, is being able to service the borrowing against a backdrop of falling revenue.

Sensibly what you don't do in those circumstances is increase expenditure but, as with many before them, common sense is not Wednesday's long suit.

That aside the asset of the ground remains the primary barrier between them and potential financial meltdown. Selling the Goldstone was calamitous for us not because it didn't release cash to relieve our position but because it left us with nothing to support continuing trading.


Have to say I like the Albion history side of this thread best

 

[Lord Bamber]

Depends on whether you could get planning permission for change of use (as we well know) and politically that is unlikely in the current climate. It will however have a considerable book value enabling the owners (the club) to support substantial borrowing and to continue trading. The issue then, as they are currently experiencing, is being able to service the borrowing against a backdrop of falling revenue.

Sensibly what you don't do in those circumstances is increase expenditure but, as with many before them, common sense is not Wednesday's long suit.

That aside the asset of the ground remains the primary barrier between them and potential financial meltdown. Selling the Goldstone was calamitous for us not because it didn't release cash to relieve our position but because it left us with nothing to support continuing trading.


Have to say I like the Albion history side of this thread best

Great post - both parts

 

[Agent_Torpor]

That is precisely the point. Clubs like Chester have gone thanks to being badly run by an idiot, Carlisle for example nearly went the same way thanks to that clown Knighton not so long ago. However, Portsmouth, Leeds, Wednesday and Palace as well as others have been playing and paying for a higher level of football than they could afford thus depriving somebody who could a place in a higher league, that's the difference.

No big loss, IMO. Climb up the league ladder on the merit of your performances, not at the expense of a club going bust.

Besides, who wants to see a tinpot club like Bournemouth or Carlisle go anywhere, esp. at the expense of a larger, more established club.

That might be heresy to most, but I think the FL is stronger with its larger clubs on more solid footing, including Leeds and the Wendies.

Pompey and Palace can go insert a foot in their own rectums for all I care, however.

 

[Gwylan]

Besides, who wants to see a tinpot club like Bournemouth or Carlisle go anywhere, esp. at the expense of a larger, more established club.

That might be heresy to most, but I think the FL is stronger with its larger clubs on more solid footing, including Leeds and the Wendies.
.

I don't think that you'd find many people on a Brighton message board agreeing with the proposition that it would be better for football if Wednesday, Charlton and Southampton got promoted as they're bigger teams than Brighton.

 

[bhaexpress]

No big loss, IMO. Climb up the league ladder on the merit of your performances, not at the expense of a club going bust.

Besides, who wants to see a tinpot club like Bournemouth or Carlisle go anywhere, esp. at the expense of a larger, more established club.

That might be heresy to most, but I think the FL is stronger with its larger clubs on more solid footing, including Leeds and the Wendies.

Pompey and Palace can go insert a foot in their own rectums for all I care, however.

Why not ? These so called, larger, more established clubs are there under false pretences. Bear in mind that we are currently NOT a larger, more established club based on our league position and gates. The fact you say that either Leeds or Wednesday are 'on more solid footing' despite their well documented financial woes beggars belief. Had they paid what they could actually afford they wouldn't be where they are now in all probability.