Sexual abuse and exploitation by Police officers of vulnerable people

[Blue Valkyrie]

Need to call in AC12

 

[Norman Potting]

Couldn't see a figure showing how many of the complaints had been upheld, athough I acknowledge that one is one too many.

 

[Hastings gull]

I would never protect a colleague who used the status of being a police officer to abuse vulnerable people. No place for it and why should we protect these people.

I am NOT suggesting that anyone should, if this is what you are wondering. But in reality it is not as simple as you say. In my experience, officers who fall foul of professional standards, and they do on occasion, have usually given years of diligent service, and on the one occasion that they cannot resist temptation, they get caught. The others on the shift have been good mates, and have worked well with said officer for years - what do they do? Obviously, the type of abuse would come into question and if it were totally morally repugnant by any standards, then I think the officer would not be supported. If, however, an officer had been sworn at, spat at, and abused etc etc by a "vulnerable" person and then retaliated by calling someone an inappropriate name, then those on shift would be under great pressure not to have heard anything.

 

[Gazwag]

Whilst obviously the abuse itself is absolutely horrifying for the victims and their families, realistically, there are always going to be bad apples in the police, the nature of the job attracts them. What concerns me time and time again is the lengths police forces will go to cover up and defend their own, Let's hope there's none of that going on here.

Not only their own in a police force aspect, too many high ranking people ensured cover ups in the 70's 80's 90's in respect of child abuse cases hence so many coming out now

 

[The Clamp]

Sadly, it is true of so many organisations, that when they are criticised, they instinctively look inwards and their first reaction is to protect their mates. Look at the recent scandals involving the Church and the NHS, to name but a few. The huge scandals make the headlines, and rightly so, but how many of us could really say, albeit on a much lower scale of seriousness, that they would not "bend the truth" to protect their mates, with whom they have to work and possibly socialise? Have you ever complained about service from a particular firm - bet that the person to whom you spoke didn't say their colleague is bone idle or incompetent, even if they know he/she is so. Rightly or wrongly, probably wrongly, this is the way of the world in practice.

If I knew for a fact a colleague was guilty of sexually harrassing or abusing someone I can honestly say I would never defend them. I might slap them though.

 

[Hastings gull]

If I knew for a fact a colleague was guilty of sexually harrassing or abusing someone I can honestly say I would never defend them. I might slap them though.

That is what we all say, isn't it? We all like to think that we would report an harassment etc. The point I was making is that there are various levels of "harassment" - a rape of a disabled person, say, is rather different to calling someone a xxxx after you have been spat at. Both actions are examples of inappropriate behaviour by policing standards, but would others on the shift see a difference?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Hastings gull will be along in a minute to tell us all that this is impossible as all coppers are angels.

And you probably have A.C.A.B. tattooed across your knuckles huh?

 

[wellquickwoody]

If I knew for a fact a colleague was guilty of sexually harrassing or abusing someone I can honestly say I would never defend them. I might slap them though.

One persons harrasment is another persons pulling technic? Not in serious cases obviously.

 

[LlcoolJ]

And you probably have A.C.A.B. tattooed across your knuckles huh?

LOLZ actually.

 

[alfredmizen]

And you probably have A.C.A.B. tattooed across your knuckles huh?

You've been a football fan for long enough not to believe that "small minority of bad apples" stuff woody.

 

[LlcoolJ]

One persons harrasment is another persons pulling technic? Not in serious cases obviously.

Wow.

 

[Swillis]

The majority of police are not bad/corrupt, unfortunately the majority of police will cover for those who are bad/corrupt.

 

[Swillis]

One persons harrasment is another persons pulling technic? Not in serious cases obviously.

Idiot

 

[wellquickwoody]

You've been a football fan for long enough not to believe that "small minority of bad apples" stuff woody.

Yes and no. There are a few bad apples, but for the most part they do a difficult job to the best of their ability. They have to deal with the utter scumbags of society and some seriously nasty shitbags who would cause serious injury or worse to a copper if given a chance. They then have to put up with smartarse gobshites bending the law to the 'enth degree, whilst in reality breaking it when plod isn't looking, and then looking for compo from any source possible when it all goes pear shaped. Saturday afternoon (lol) at the footy was a chance for both sides to let off some steam whilst playing cat and mouse, nowadays far less so. I sometimes think that the coppers were just a bit cleverer than the average football hoolie, at least they get/got to retire at 55 with a final salary pension!

 

[wellquickwoody]

Idiot

You will be one of those who thinks wolf whistling is harassment?

 

[alfredmizen]

Yes and no. There are a few bad apples, but for the most part they do a difficult job to the best of their ability. They have to deal with the utter scumbags of society and some seriously nasty shitbags who would cause serious injury or worse to a copper if given a chance. They then have to put up with smartarse gobshites bending the law to the 'enth degree, whilst in reality breaking it when plod isn't looking, and then looking for compo from any source possible when it all goes pear shaped. Saturday afternoon (lol) at the footy was a chance for both sides to let off some steam whilst playing cat and mouse, nowadays far less so. I sometimes think that the coppers were just a bit cleverer than the average football hoolie, at least they get/got to retire at 55 with a final salary pension!

Let off steam ? I've seen a copper smash a 15year old girl in the mouth with his truncheon all his mates look away , and the Inspector when confronted by the father , tell him to "f*ck off before you get the same"

 

[Hastings gull]

Yes and no. There are a few bad apples, but for the most part they do a difficult job to the best of their ability. They have to deal with the utter scumbags of society and some seriously nasty shitbags who would cause serious injury or worse to a copper if given a chance. They then have to put up with smartarse gobshites bending the law to the 'enth degree, whilst in reality breaking it when plod isn't looking, and then looking for compo from any source possible when it all goes pear shaped. Saturday afternoon (lol) at the footy was a chance for both sides to let off some steam whilst playing cat and mouse, nowadays far less so. I sometimes think that the coppers were just a bit cleverer than the average football hoolie, at least they get/got to retire at 55 with a final salary pension!

Well worth posting, as this all too often tends to be forgotten. I have lost count of the number of times family members have come in off a night shift, having been abused or some clever clogs claiming racism at them, or "do you know who I am?" This is not to claim there are no bad apples -yes, there are, as in all walks of life, but the vast majority do a really good job under at times some really difficult circumstances.

 

[The Clamp]

That is what we all say, isn't it? We all like to think that we would report an harassment etc. The point I was making is that there are various levels of "harassment" - a rape of a disabled person, say, is rather different to calling someone a xxxx after you have been spat at. Both actions are examples of inappropriate behaviour by policing standards, but would others on the shift see a difference?

What on earth are you talking about. If I worked with someone, friend or not and I witnessed or knew for a fact they had harrassed or abused a vulnerable person or a woman at work there is no way I would stick up fr them. End of. You may have wavering morals, mine stand firm my man.

 

[The Clamp]

One persons harrasment is another persons pulling technic? Not in serious cases obviously.

Cretinous remark.

 

[Hastings gull]

The majority of police are not bad/corrupt, unfortunately the majority of police will cover for those who are bad/corrupt.

That does happen, as it does in all walks of life, but the extent to which it happens will depend on the severity of the corrupt action.