[Albion] Sending Off

[amexer]

Thought it was harsh at time but even more so having seen replays. Just 2 players battling for the ball in a contact sport.

 

[Weststander]

Cancelo royally screwed up (as analysed by TV pundits), so he fouled Welbeck in order that he couldn't get an attempt in on goal.

His furtive attempt to make it look like an innocent coming together of bodies, was seen for what it was.

A foul anywhere on the field of play and he prevented a goal scoring attempt.


A straight forward dismissal decision.

 

[Justice]

Oh well getting a pen awarded against after the final whistle was harsher.

 

[lawros left foot]

It doesn’t matter if it was harsh, it happened.

This is part of the ‘ bad decisions even themselves out over the season’ process, that we are told happens in football.

To really even up our bad luck this season, Arsenal will have 3 sent off and we’ll get 6 penalties.

 

[warmleyseagull]

I must say been surprised that no poll or even thread on how crap the ref was. Probably tells its own tale....

 

[A1X]

The major question is whether or not it was a foul. As soon as you give it, given the position of the players it has to be a red card for preventing a goalscoring opportunity.

Was it a foul? I am pretty confident it was.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Cancelo royally screwed up (as analysed by TV pundits), so he fouled Welbeck in order that he couldn't get an attempt in on goal.

His furtive attempt to make it look like an innocent coming together of bodies, was seen for what it was.

A foul anywhere on the field of play and he prevented a goal scoring attempt.


A straight forward dismissal decision.

Seems i'm following you around in agreement!

Watching that play out live, you see the context for him watching the ball come over, getting his judgement wrong so initially missing it, then Welbeck who has read it is in front at that point and is favourite to get onto the ball...and score.

I'd agree with the OP as fouls go it's not the clearest you will see, but it was every bit as calculated just outside the box as Dunk's was.

 

[Frankie]

Not sure why some people seem to think it was a harsh sending off , Wellbeck used his arm legally to get across the defender the defender then thought it was a country and western dance and decided to link his arm through Wellbecks , CLEAR foul denying a goal scoring opportunity with no covering defender , the punishment = RED card , the ref got it spot on , no different in terms of ruling and outcome to Dunk pulling back the Wolves forward last week .

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

The major question is whether or not it was a foul. As soon as you give it, given the position of the players it has to be a red card for preventing a goalscoring opportunity.

Was it a foul? I am pretty confident it was.

Just said that on another thread. Dion Dublin appeared to be contradicting himself in his understanding of the rules, or that refs can make them up as they see fit. He seemed to be happy it was a foul. He seemed to acknowledge that it was a goal scoring opportunity for Welbeck, but he seemed to suggest the ref can take it upon himself to re-write the rules in that instant and only bring out a yellow card.

Now, he Dion wants to debate the rules, that is fine, but as a pundit feel disappointed he didn't acknowledge that under the rules, the ref had no choice really if that was a foul, which he said it was.

 

[brighton_tom]

Might be harsh but still a foul and a red card for me, by the laws of the game. Cancelo goes to control the ball as it comes down, misses it and lets DW in ahead of him. In realising this Cancelo panics, causes a collision and hooks his arm under Welbecks to try and stop him, but tries to disguise it all as just a coming together. Even if its the smallest of fouls, its still a foul, and because he was the last defender not making an attempt for the ball it is a red card by the laws of the game. Maybe harsh but correct decision. The ref has no choice with the colour of the card.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Yeah agree with most posters.

Was it a foul? Yes definitely.
Not convinced he would have scored, but it would definitely have been a big chance in xg terms.
It's a red.

 

[Barrow Boy]

Is it evened up by not awarding us a penalty for the blatant handball by City?

 

[Baldseagull]

It was a foul, it was a goal scoring opportunity, it was a red card.
Having us supporters back in the stands and calling for it made that decision (and others on the night) a little easier for the Ref to make though.

 

[brighton_tom]

Just said that on another thread. Dion Dublin appeared to be contradicting himself in his understanding of the rules, or that refs can make them up as they see fit. He seemed to be happy it was a foul. He seemed to acknowledge that it was a goal scoring opportunity for Welbeck, but he seemed to suggest the ref can take it upon himself to re-write the rules in that instant and only bring out a yellow card.

Now, he Dion wants to debate the rules, that is fine, but as a pundit feel disappointed he didn't acknowledge that under the rules, the ref had no choice really if that was a foul, which he said it was.

Saw those Dion comments, very disappointing. He says ''at most its a foul''. A foul by a defender who is the last man, to stop a goalscoring chance and is not making an attempt for the ball, is a red card.

 

[Bodian]

The major question is whether or not it was a foul. As soon as you give it, given the position of the players it has to be a red card for preventing a goalscoring opportunity.

Was it a foul? I am pretty confident it was.

Not sure why some people seem to think it was a harsh sending off , Wellbeck used his arm legally to get across the defender the defender then thought it was a country and western dance and decided to link his arm through Wellbecks , CLEAR foul denying a goal scoring opportunity with no covering defender , the punishment = RED card , the ref got it spot on , no different in terms of ruling and outcome to Dunk pulling back the Wolves forward last week .

This is the key - and this is why VAR only checked for the 'clear scoring opportunity'. The red card was not for the foul itself - it was because the foul stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Once the ref had decided it was a foul, he had little option but to send him off. And VAR couldn't overturn it on the basis that it was debatable whether it was a foul - they weren't checking for that (rightly - because they can't check for free-kicks, only the red card). No one would have complained if it had been a free-kick and a yellow card - so it was a bit hypocritical of them to complain because it was red. We should see more of these, Dunk last week, Cancelo this week - the 'professional foul' would soon disappear if players were routinely sent off for them.

 

[Hugo Rune]

It did make the Wolves rugby tackle on Burn look like a straight red plus 3 game ban for violent conduct in comparison. Refereeing has never been so inconsistent.

 

[A1X]

Saw those Dion comments, very disappointing. He says ''at most its a foul''. A foul by a defender who is the last man, to stop a goalscoring chance and is not making an attempt for the ball, is a red card.

Similar to Dunk the other week, the foul is not the worst you'll ever see, but the position of the players make it an obvious red.

 

[The Optimist]

Saw those Dion comments, very disappointing. He says ''at most its a foul''. A foul by a defender who is the last man, to stop a goalscoring chance and is not making an attempt for the ball, is a red card.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when outside the box it's still a red even if the defender is making a genuine attempt to play the ball. It's only in the box where it's no longer a red (if the defender is making a genuine attempt to play the ball) as a penalty is deemed sufficient punishment.

 

[mwrpoole]

This is the key - and this is why VAR only checked for the 'clear scoring opportunity'. The red card was not for the foul itself - it was because the foul stopped a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Once the ref had decided it was a foul, he had little option but to send him off. And VAR couldn't overturn it on the basis that it was debatable whether it was a foul - they weren't checking for that (rightly - because they can't check for free-kicks, only the red card). No one would have complained if it had been a free-kick and a yellow card - so it was a bit hypocritical of them to complain because it was red. We should see more of these, Dunk last week, Cancelo this week - the 'professional foul' would soon disappear if players were routinely sent off for them.

I think VAR were also checking whether it was in the box or not, one of those that started out of the box but did it carry on into the box.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Similar to Dunk the other week, the foul is not the worst you'll ever see, but the position of the players make it an obvious red.

Exactly, most other areas on the pitch the same contact is not even a booking. Webster committed a worse foul when he got booked for deliberately bringing down one of their players in the dying minutes, knowing he was well covered behind him. Those are the rules they work and play to. Cancelo denied Welbeck the chance to score. The ref has little flexibility to apply the rules.