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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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thx JRB
I can believe 100% that Russia is considering it, and will have tentative plans to carry it out. As already said, Russia must have been warned by the US/NATO of the consequences if they do so (
). Just to remind all that even if the prevailing wind was a Westerly (heading toward Russia) it would pass directly over sovereign Ukrainian territory and civilians.
Also lets remember that, according to many reports, the Russians f*cked up their explosion of the Kakhovka dam, their intention possibly to have been less damage (I don't know the truth of this). They are therefore quite able to f*ck up an attack on the nuclear power station.
Thanks. It's a well-crafted tweet.
driddles
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More than 8 explosions rock Melitopol and I'm not saying this is new but I find it interesting that ISW has Melitopol marked as Partisan warfare on the interactive map of Ukraine (I haven't looked at the map before - they don't have any other large area marked with this designation so it seems big to me)
Institute for the Study of War
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations on at least three sectors of the front on June 21. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated on June 21 that Ukrainian troops had partial success during offensive operations in the
Yes, that's interesting. I think they've labelled Melitopol (wider area) with reported partisan activity for some time now ,- I guess the activity is enough for them to do this. Some around Tokmak also.
Nobby Cybergoat
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But I don’t understand it? What could the people of Melitopol possibly have against Russia?
It makes no difference whether or not Russia lied before, during, or after they invaded.
If they didn't lie, if they said yes, we're invading, they would have been warned that there would be a response and that there would be sanctions. And those sanctions would have started when they invaded. The sanctions are directly linked to their actions, regardless of whether they lied or not.
I understand what you're saying there, but as I replied originally, unfortunately I don't think it makes any difference that the world knows they're lying. The world as a whole doesn't care. Democratic countries that try and operate without corruption are in the minority. You think that Russia will continue to be sanctioned in the future because of their lies, and I disagree. Take China: they bought the WHO (world health organisation) and then hid the truth behind Covid. It may well have been created in a lab, but China will do everything possible to stop the rest of the world from testing the original source. That has resulted in the deaths of millions of people - many many more than caused by Russia's war, and China just lies about it all. And what is the world doing about China's lies? Nothing.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I think we've come full circle back to our original arguments.
This is a good point at which to agree to disagree.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Early on in the war, Russia approached Kazakhstan to provide troops for Russia's war effort.
Kazakhstan said 'nah'.
This new 'unfriendly action' by Kazakhstan, will have alerted China.
How will Russia respond? My guess is with a considered, measured, classy diplomatic response.
Really interesting update from experts, covering all bases.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm
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Yep: Russia's current objective is simply to try and persuade the West to stop supporting Ukraine.
Waiting/hoping on a Trump victory Nov'24, so that Putin's mate plays the purported 'isolationist' card.
Absolutely - this is Putin's only chance and only realistic strategy.
But strategists will have planned to have downgraded the Russian army by the maximum before then ( see the number of troops and armour they tricked Putin into sacrificing at Bakhmut ).
So even if Putin wriggles out of it through Trump, the Russian army will be dust by then.
Yep, but hopefully Ukraine will have done a lot of damage in that time.
I have heard a lot about this spring/summer offensive being about huge gains for Ukraine or even the end of the war.
Apart from a few villages gained, there hasn't been major gains.
Early days I guess, but it seems Russia has learned from its disastrous start to the compaign and is changing tactics against a weoponised USA/NATO country against it.
Apart from a few villages gained, there hasn't been major gains.
Early days I guess, but it seems Russia has learned from its disastrous start to the compaign and is changing tactics against a weoponised USA/NATO country against it.
Nobby Cybergoat
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But I don’t understand it? What could the people of Melitopol possibly have against Russia?
Early days. Ukraine value their people. They are patient. We must be too.
Who said anything about it being the end of the war? It appears that you've been listening to the wrong sources. It's unlikely the war will end anytime soon.
Yes, it's very early days. I wouldn't expect any major gains soon either. Russia are well dug in, and Ukraine are going to spend a fair while trying to find weak spots. If they succeed in that task, that still doesn't mean there will be a major gain, but hopefully Russia will have to commit reserves to defend those weak spots. Meanwhile Ukraine will continue probing for other weak spots, and the hope is that there comes a point when Russia runs out of reserves and Ukraine can commit more forces and push through.
I think you mean a country using Nato weapons, rather than a USA/Nato country.