[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

I'm having a real hard time believing this tank will make it to Ukraine and then successfully drive how ever many miles it has to drive to the front without immediately breaking down.

Indeed, it looks like when the vehicle (tank it is not) rocks back and forth over the terrain, the stress on the turret will prove too much and it'll simply snap off.

 

[A1X]

After 11 months of waging illegal war, Russia had lost half of its entire tank stocks. That’s from their entire defences, threats and conflicts from Vladivostock to Murmansk. 1,795 tanks, 6,000 specialist crew lost.

Desperate times call for Heath-Robinson use of 1945 to 1959 Soviet warship turrets, welded to vehicles.

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It looks like it’s been made on Blue Peter out of a toilet roll tube and egg box

 

[Eric the meek]

It looks like it’s been made on Blue Peter out of a toilet roll tube and egg box

'What's that on the horizon? It's a Ukrainian tank, about to blow the turret off our Russian tank. Boom! Wheee! There it goes!
That's it - use your two fingers running across the table to represent the tank driver running for his life. Leg it Sergei.
'Chug-a-chug'. What's that noise? It's a Ukrainian farmer in his tractor, coming to tow the tank away and hide it in his barn.
'Absolutely fantastic!' - John Noakes.

'Well, I hope you all enjoyed our Blue Peter contribution to the Ukrainian war.
Please remember to ask your parents' permission to use the scissors to cut the sticky back plastic' - Valerie Singleton.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

that has been mooted. ultimately Putin and his propaganda machine will try and pin the blame on anyone except Putin.

Wagner fails, Prigorzhin has an "accident" then who will push back on Putins lies.

Rather more alarmingly on todays ukrainian news channels is a merchant ship that was known to be carrying shed loads of weapons, was allowed through the bosphorus in the early hours by Turkey. Erdogan like Orban is a duplicitous snake.

Where did these weapons originate from?

 

[jcdenton08]

Where did these weapons originate from?

What you’re not acknowledging is that arms trading under controlled conditions is a universal practice. If Britain sell a load of old munitions - and they frequently do - to other countries, it doesn’t justify them being used however the owners please.

This is why armament is such a huge issue. NATO aren’t “at war” with Russia officially, but Ukraine is being armed by countries within NATO and Russia is armed by China and a few other allies.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

What you’re not acknowledging is that arms trading under controlled conditions is a universal practice. If Britain sell a load of old munitions - and they frequently do - to other countries, it doesn’t justify them being used however the owners please.

This is why armament is such a huge issue. NATO aren’t “at war” with Russia officially, but Ukraine is being armed by countries within NATO and Russia is armed by China and a few other allies.

China Is not arming Russia, even the US acknowledge that the only support China has offered is non lethal aid.

 

[jcdenton08]

China Is not arming Russia, even the US acknowledge that the only support China has offered is non lethal aid.

Dubious.

 

[Nobby]

Funny, isn't it? The only fascists found in Ukraine have been paid for, fighting on Putin's side.

Well, not funny at all really - if only our spooks could do better then Putin's and gradually re-educate the older Russians, who still believe that every turd the government offers them actually tastes quite nice and is really nutricious.

Bit like here really.

 

[Albion in the north]

Where did these weapons originate from?

Syria.

 

[sparkie]

Syria.

That's a win for those who want to reduce Russian weapons and ammunition in Syria.

Turkey might be in that group.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

The latest video from 1420 seems more balanced than ever. Other than the odd soviet loving Babushka, the majority of opinions are war weary, bordering on being openly anti Putin.

 

[sparkie]

Echos of Kyiv 2014 now happening in Tblisi, Georgia.

Pro-Russian Government vs Pro-European people.

This could lead down the same path.

 

[sparkie]

The story is that Russians are fleeing Georgia and heading back to Russia !

Got to assume that no men of mobilisation age are among them - otherwise straight off to the front line they go.

 

[Triggaaar]

The story is that Russians are fleeing Georgia and heading back to Russia !

Got to assume that no men of mobilisation age are among them - otherwise straight off to the front line they go.

What, under 70?

 

[SeagullinExile]

But I imagine the British troops had rifles and ammunition, and used those too. If we only had bayonets I imagine we'd have lost.

You say that, but supplies we’re running perilously low! Admiral Sir John Woodward admitted that if the conflict lasted another week the outcome may well of been different, saying that UK forces were on their “last legs” due to ammo and ration shortages, as well as heavy losses.

 

[GT49er]

Struggling to make sense of this. Are these people fleeing Georgia Russians who are genuinely scared of living in a western style democracy, or are they Russian 'plants' put into Georgia by Putin in the same way as Russians were put into Donbass as basically fifth columnists, and they're getting out because they've been rumbled/it isn't working?
Or - more worryingly - is it because they've been tipped off that Georgia is about to be shelled to ruination?

 

[GT49er]

You say that, but supplies we’re running perilously low! Admiral Sir John Woodward admitted that if the conflict lasted another week the outcome may well of been different, saying that UK forces were on their “last legs” due to ammo and ration shortages, as well as heavy losses.

Exactly - the battle for Mount Tumbledown, for instance, apparantly was ended with hand to hand fighting with bayonets fixed. To coin a phrase, young Argentine conscripts, who probably never expected to have to face well trained and well lead troops in serious close quarters fighting, 'didn't like it up 'em' (and who can blame them!)

 

[Eric the meek]

It's beginning to kick off.

OK, it's probably a tad early to say 'and so it begins', but I would have thought that if the disintegration of the Russian Federation is going to start anywhere, it's going to start in the Caucasus. The whole place is a tinderbox.

A Georgian uprising would be unwelcome by Russia. Georgia wants Ossetia and Abkhazia back, and Abkhazia is next door to Sochi, while Chechnya and Dagestan are just across the border inside Russia. Armenia, and Azerbaijan, nominally independent nations, have their own conflicts.

 

[raymondo]

A simple message from Georgia on International Women's Day:

 

[raymondo]

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