[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Well said Jens Stoltenberg. I am in full agreement, word for word.

But I would add, that we should also commit to helping Ukraine, not only for all the reasons Stoltenberg gave, but also because - it is the right thing to do.

I would also campaign to put that help, for perhaps a generation ahead, into UK law, and, if we had still been in the EU, into EU law.
And then speed up Ukraine's accession to the EU, and Ukraine's, Sweden's and Finland's accession to Nato.

 

[A1X]

The battle for Kyiv revisited: the litany of mistakes that cost Russia a quick win

Moscow completely misjudged Ukraine, issuing some invading soldiers with parade dress to march down Kyiv’s main street

www.theguardian.com

Interesting article talking about how Russia failed to capture Kyiv and the reasons for it

 

[Eric the meek]

'Russia may be readying border closure and new mobilisation order - Ukrainian minister'

'Russia’s leadership may be preparing a new mobilisation order and could close its border to men within a week, according to Ukraine’s defence minister.
Oleksii Reznikov addressed Russian citizens in a video message on Friday. Speaking in Russian, he warned people who might qualify for mobilisation. “I know for a fact that you have about one week left before you still have any choice.
“In early January, the Russian authorities will close the borders to men, declare martial law, and begin another wave of mobilisation. Borders will also be closed in Belarus.”
Reznikov warned that Russians living in cities would be at particular risk.
Kryrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine’s intelligence directorate told the BBC on Friday that Russia’s new mobilisation order would start on 5 January.'

Russia-Ukraine war live: Ukraine claims Putin considering closing Russian border; Kyiv hit by missile strikes

Ukrainian minister tells Russians that Putin is set to begin a new round of troop mobilisations

www.theguardian.com

 

[Albion in the north]

Its been said many times before in the last 10 months, but never before has so much been bought so cheaply.

 

[raymondo]

Its been said many times before in the last 10 months, but never before has so much been bought so cheaply.

Exactly this

 

[portslade seagull]

Its been said many times before in the last 10 months, but never before has so much been bought so cheaply.

According to Ukraine defence website France are now the biggest buyers of Russian gas which gives Putin and his cronies money to keep up their doomed war effort.

 

[portslade seagull]

Its been said many times before in the last 10 months, but never before has so much been bought so cheaply.

According to Ukraine defence website France are now the biggest buyers of Russian gas which gives Putin and his cronies money to keep up their doomed war effort.

 

[Albion in the north]

According to Ukraine defence website France are now the biggest buyers of Russian gas which gives Putin and his cronies money to keep up their doomed war effort.

Also reported that, from today, Germany will no longer be buying any fossil fuel from Ruzzia.

 

[raymondo]

This is a long read but was interesting for me

 

[Albion in the north]

Im surprised no ones posted this on here. Really dont know what to say about Zelensky. He will, no doubt, have his detractors, but if ever there has been the right person in the right place, at the right time, its him, in Ukraine and now.

 

[raymondo]

Im surprised no ones posted this on here. Really dont know what to say about Zelensky. He will, no doubt, have his detractors, but if ever there has been the right person in the right place, at the right time, its him, in Ukraine and now.

He is indeed a fantastic leader, and his speeches are spot on

 

[portslade seagull]

Himars strike on Russian barracks which has been confirmed by The Ruskies who report 63 dead, meanwhile more trustworthy sources reporting over 300 plus dead along with 100s injured with 10 destroyed armoured vehicles to boot. Ego man must love this

 

[Rugrat]

Himars strike on Russian barracks which has been confirmed by The Ruskies who report 63 dead, meanwhile more trustworthy sources reporting over 300 plus dead along with 100s injured with 10 destroyed armoured vehicles to boot. Ego man must love this

Sadly, the more Ukraine inflict these losses and damage the more Putin sends back. He doesn't give a toss about the losses, indeed I suspect it gives him a justification to be even more barbaric.

Ukraine can never win this militarily and goodness knows how it all plays out

 

[raymondo]

Partisans are alive and well in Melitopol

 

[raymondo]

Sadly, the more Ukraine inflict these losses and damage the more Putin sends back. He doesn't give a toss about the losses, indeed I suspect it gives him a justification to be even more barbaric.

Ukraine can never win this militarily and goodness knows how it all plays out

Yes, no end remotely in sight at the moment.
Hopefully Ukraine continue to fight back so strongly that something implodes in the Russian leadership...but even that opens new uncertainties.
Improved Air Defence systems for Ukrainian major cities would help a lot...

 

[Triggaaar]

Himars strike on Russian barracks which has been confirmed by The Ruskies who report 63 dead, meanwhile more trustworthy sources reporting over 300 plus dead along with 100s injured with 10 destroyed armoured vehicles to boot. Ego man must love this

Is that one Himars rocket, or multiple? I wouldn't have expected it to be easy to destroy 10 armoured vehicles.

 

[Triggaaar]

Sadly, the more Ukraine inflict these losses and damage the more Putin sends back. He doesn't give a toss about the losses, indeed I suspect it gives him a justification to be even more barbaric.

Ukraine can never win this militarily and goodness knows how it all plays out

He certainly doesn't care about the human aspect of the losses, but you're mistaken to think that he has unlimited soldiers and weapons. Ukraine can win this militarily. They have more soldiers willing to fight than Russia, and thanks to support from the West have a larger manufacturing capability too.

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

Is that one Himars rocket, or multiple? I wouldn't have expected it to be easy to destroy 10 armoured vehicles.

I read an account (source) which claimed the Russians were using one of the basements in their makeshift barracks as an ammo depot.

With somewhat predictable consequences. Sounds like the whole stockpile went up after being hit by a rocket(s).

 

[raymondo]

Detailed maps of the recent heavy fighting along the confrontation line at the Donbas region. The top left map, purple hatched area indicating area of noticeable Ukrainian partisan activity... that would approximate to Melitopol I think. Ukraine undermining the confidence of Russian troops there prior to more significant attacks hopefully.

 

[raymondo]

Is that one Himars rocket, or multiple? I wouldn't have expected it to be easy to destroy 10 armoured vehicles.

I read it was a multiple rocket attack, with a few getting through their air defences. I also read that the Russians had a major ammo store adjacent to or under the building complex...hence the major explosions and damage