[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Simster]

We sent loads of NLAW anti tank weapons and right now they're receiving UK built star streak anti aircraft missiles.

We've been one of the best in Europe in arming and training them.

Probably, but it is because we are not in need of Russian energy and we have also not offered humanitarian support.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Surely a country the size of Russia can adapt to make their own train spare parts, and if needed, have them made in China?

Apparently the tyres on the vehicles which got stuck in the mud or punctured were from China.

 

[beorhthelm]

Ukraine aren't happy with that. They're saying their territorial integrity is non negotiable, but they are willing to discuss the pre Feb 24 Donbass area with some kind of autonomy. To give anything since the invasion of 24 Feb would be seen to reward then aggressor and I don't think the Ukrainian public would buy it, plus if you held a referendum in those areas and asked then citizens, they'd want to be in Ukraine for sure. Tough choices.

and Crimea? i wonder if the degree of recognition there will be key, more ceded there less ceded elsewhere.

 

[Eric the meek]

You may be surprised, but you possibly shouldnt be. breaking news from bellingcat and the WSJ, that for the early peace talks held on the border on March 3, some on the Ukrainian delegation were poisoned with whats being alleged as a chemical weapon..... and Roman Abramovich who was asked to mediate on the Ukrainian side, as part Jewish, was also poisoned.

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Indeed.

On 27 Feb, when the prospect of talks was first being discussed, I said 'Free Novichok with all cutlery', not thinking the Russians would be so brazen to actually do it.

Truth really is stranger than fiction.

 

[A1X]

You may be surprised, but you possibly shouldnt be. breaking news from bellingcat and the WSJ, that for the early peace talks held on the border on March 3, some on the Ukrainian delegation were poisoned with whats being alleged as a chemical weapon..... and Roman Abramovich who was asked to mediate on the Ukrainian side, as part Jewish, was also poisoned.

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Jeez, I mean I know Russia aren’t exactly subtle in their methods but ****ing hell lads.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Irpin has been liberated.

 

[clapham_gull]

Jeez, I mean I know Russia aren’t exactly subtle in their methods but ****ing hell lads.

Does go to show that although we often perceive Putin as an all controlling Bond Villian, he is simply the head of a gangster organisation with all sort of competing elements beneath him.

I would be at all surprised if he had nothing to do with it.


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[peterward]

Does go to show that although we often perceive Putin as an all controlling Bond Villian, he is simply the head of a gangster organisation with all sort of competing elements beneath him.

I would be at all surprised if he had nothing to do with it.


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I dont think that's possible tbh. He is the only power, the Godfather if you will. To set this up would require planning and a few personnel to do it.... If they did that without Putin's knowledge or say so they wouldnt last 5 minutes.

I'd be as near as certain Putin knew about it. All such decisions go through him.

An intimidation/threat tactic though rather than a genuine attempt at asassination.

 

[vegster]

Indeed.

On 27 Feb, when the prospect of talks was first being discussed, I said 'Free Novichok with all cutlery', not thinking the Russians would be so brazen to actually do it.

Truth really is stranger than fiction.

Putin really does not care how stupid it looks to do something like this.

 

[birthofanorange]

Putin really does not care how stupid it looks to do something like this.

I do find it strange that it wasn't a fatal poisoning, given that it wouldn't be that difficult to use something a little stronger.
A warning, perhaps?

 

[Eric the meek]

Putin really does not care how stupid it looks to do something like this.

Perhaps he doesn't have the capacity to understand that it looks stupid. Perhaps he doesn't have any empathy.

 

[Albion in the north]

I do find it strange that it wasn't a fatal poisoning, given that it wouldn't be that difficult to use something a little stronger.
A warning, perhaps?

Of course its a warning. Whos volunteering for the next peace talks? Would Zelensky go?

 

[Triggaaar]

On 27 Feb, when the prospect of talks was first being discussed, I said 'Free Novichok with all cutlery', not thinking the Russians would be so brazen to actually do it.

But surely anyone attending such talks (ie, ones where Russia are involved) would take all their own food and drink etc?

 

[Triggaaar]

and Roman Abramovich who was asked to mediate on the Ukrainian side, as part Jewish, was also poisoned.

As a Russian oligarch, why was he on the Ukrainian side? So what if he's part Jewish, he's Russian, and has been considered to be an ally of Putin.

 

[Diablo]

As a Russian oligarch, why was he on the Ukrainian side? So what if he's part Jewish, he's Russian, and has been considered to be an ally of Putin.

He def was Putins mate. but he has lived in the west for many years and now accepts that west is best. He knows Putin regime based on fear and lies and is trying to help!

 

[Eric the meek]

But surely anyone attending such talks (ie, ones where Russia are involved) would take all their own food and drink etc?

Yes, absolutely. I was being facetious when I wrote that. I wasn't really predicting a poisoning. I didn't think that the Russians would actually do that.

Yet they did. The poisoning, which apparently was mild, so more a warning than a lethal dose, was carried out in Kyiv, and not in Russian or Belarussian territory. Very odd.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The same reason why the Saudis are never threatened by our government. It's because we are not dependent on Russian energy sources. 3% of our fuel comes from Russia and we don't take Russian gas.

Our "support" begins and ends with talking loudly about arming them. It certainly isn't humanitarian support. Gotta keep those Brexity rules in place eh.

Difficult to know why you wrote that

 

[peterward]

As a Russian oligarch, why was he on the Ukrainian side? So what if he's part Jewish, he's Russian, and has been considered to be an ally of Putin.

That's all true. But he said he was against any war and Zelensky personally asked him to mediate and he agreed. (I guess he asked Putin)?

Just read that some think Abramovich was the target as he spoke against the war as a warning to other oligarchs?

What a f***ed up place Russia is

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...active-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/

‘Unprotected Russian soldiers disturbed radioactive dust in Chernobyl's 'Red Forest', workers say‘

Particularly interesting that the two Ukrainian workers claim the Russians had never heard of the Chernobyl explosion and that for the Russian soldiers not wearing anti radiation gear it was effectively a suicide mission.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes, absolutely. I was being facetious when I wrote that. I wasn't really predicting a poisoning. I didn't think that the Russians would actually do that.

I wasn't so much referring to what you wrote, but what actually happened. You say you didn't think the Russians would do that - I did. I was amazed that any talks were being held in Belarus. I wouldn't be going there if I was Ukrainian.

The poisoning, which apparently was mild, so more a warning than a lethal dose, was carried out in Kyiv, and not in Russian or Belarussian territory. Very odd.

Good point. Very odd indeed.