Rugby Refs

[rool]

Why can't we get ref's like the ones Rugby have. I very seldom see a bad performance and they have a much better way of communicating with the players than the likes of prosser et al

 

[nwgull]

The players give the refs so much more respect in rugby and tend to accept the decision even if they think it's wrong. I think footy refs should be given much more power to penalise players who argue with them.

 

[rool]

I think managers have a bit more responsibilty in that dept. Look at the difference between a clough team and a ferguson team.

 

[Gwylan]

Nwgull is right. Players are taught from a young age never to argue with the ref. Look at the difference in the way a junior rugby team and a junior footie team behaves. It makes reffing so much easier.

The touch judges in rugby are much more pro-active than linos - it's like having three refs out there: that really helps as well.

 

[Sam]

The players give the refs so much more respect in rugby and tend to accept the decision even if they think it's wrong. I think footy refs should be given much more power to penalise players who argue with them.

if you talk to a ref in rugby, you go back ten metres and again and again until you shut up or someone in your team shuts you up. there is a limit for the distance you can be taken back, think its 40 metres.

 

[Hiney]

A lot of rugby players still call the ref 'sir'.

Can't see Roy Keane doing that!!!

 

[Sam]

or paulo di canio!

 

[Beach Hut]

Rugby referees always seem in total control and players never argue.

It starts from the first time a kid picks up a rugby ball - believe me I was taught that at school, the referee's decision is final.

Maybe there is a leson there for teaching kids football ?

 

[Beach Hut]

Possible but the whole football culture is to argue every decision.

I manage my son's U12 team and some of the opposition players argue with the referee till their blue in the face over a throw in.

Personally I tell the kids off if they argue with the referee and also tell them to accept whatever the decision.

 

[Beach Hut]

It does seem very bizarre that Rugby is a far harder game, much more open to abuse in rucks / mauls but total respect for the referee.

Maybe the sin bin is the answer as you loose a player for a period of time and could lose the game during that time.

Therefore if you go to the sin bin you let the whole team down.

 

[Kenhead]

i reckon they should bring in a sin bin rule! that would punish the player and the team. how about trying it out in the ldv vans thing next season? then that would make it intresting!

 

[Beach Hut]

Something has to happen otherwise it will spiral out of control.

Look at Manure players who all argue the toss collectively against every referee decision

 

[Kenhead]

yeah or the carling cup would be a good idea! i remeber they first tested out the if you get booked for desent the ball gets moved 10 yards forward rule in the ldvs a cople of years back. might have been when it was auto windscreens!

 

[Beach Hut]

Just watching the repeat of RSA v Eng:

Absolutely wonderful to see no dispute over any decision - Nirvana.

when oh when will we ever see this in football - players accepting a referee's decision ?

 

[Kenhead]

i think its also down to the amount of money in football, alabout getting sucess. look at how many managers have lost there jobs! the players are getting drilled in to the heads that they have to win at all costs and that is causeing players to get irratee with the ref.

 

[Sam]

nice spelling there, filthy!

 

[elbowpatches]

everything about rugby is much better than football. Refs are better, crowds are much much much better, whole atmosphere is better. I love football but I have to concede that fans and players alike can be, and usually are, ignorant, loud mouthed idiots. It makes me embarrassed to watch games sometimes. Some of the scum that watch football need culling.

 

[H block]

Agree KLH. A friends son was told by senior members at one of Worthing`s junior rugby teams if he ever spoke to a referee like that again he would be out on his ear.I cannot see that happening at ANY junior football team I know of.I saw another friends boy playing football at under 16 level and I could not believe the abuse the ref took.I told my mate that if my son spoke like some of the players on that day he would be out of there.He said that,``T hat is what it is like nowadays.``....Not if I was involved in any way I replied.

 

[Simster]

if you talk to a ref in rugby, you go back ten metres and again and again until you shut up or someone in your team shuts you up. there is a limit for the distance you can be taken back, think its 40 metres.

I think you have it in a nutshell here. Rugby is a game where territory is more important than possession. Relatively speaking, possession is more easily won than in football. So in rugby, if you mouth off, you are liable to put an annoying but relatively harmless freekick into kickable range for the oppositions kicker.

I simply don't believe that youngsters playing football are any worse behaved than their rugby playing peers.

If you want referee respect in football (and I think we all do, as it'll make their job a lot easier, less pressurised and hopefully less likely to make mistakes). I think applying a ten yard rule is a good one, and any further abuse should be penalised with a sin bin penalty as suggested on this thread.

 

[Brovion]

Big fan of Rugby though I am there are double standards. In any code of 'football' you are not allowed to punch your opponent. On Saturday a Springbok had his hand in Dellaigo's (sp) face so Lawrence lamped him one. The ref called both captains over and said something along the lines of "There was a bit of nonsense in that last scrum, calm it down." If that had happened in football there would be whining editorials in the Daily Mail for months.