Rio ferdinand

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This discussion was about numbers bushy. It doesn't preclude a driven and bright individual from stepping up (Chris Powell, for example), but it might help to explain your suggestion, that there are not loads of black players being turned down for jobs.

Good point , it also explains the frustration some people feel at blacks who are far too eager to blame lack of success or opportunity on racism rather than lack of drive or ambition, there is no doubt that racism played a part in lack of opportunity in the past , not just in football but society as a whole , those days are gone .

 

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According to reports on SSN the PFA have been trying to get hold of rio to articulate his issue but to no avail.

From the outside the comments and timing make this look like a personal frustration with the situation surrounding Terry's soft punishment. Particularly as this issue led to rio being sidelined for terry in eurosPerhaps Rio should engage his argument with the PFA or just set up a 'kick out John terry' campaign so this can move on rather than what looks like a self important toys out the pram union forming

really ??

 

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A lot, if not most, crimes thankfully are in the minority/virtually none. Does this mean we should ignore these as well?

Where are you trying to go with this line of thought?

They arent being ignored , where did i say that ?

 

[Seasider78]

really ??

It was widely reported at the time the two were not on speaking terms and the media were widely disputing that rio was left behind for 'purely football reasons' as Hodgson had suggested

For dressing room harmony both could not go but England decided to take the player with a racism charge hanging over him instead

IMO this is part of the overall ill feeling driving rios actions

 

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It was widely reported at the time the two were not on speaking terms and the media were widely disputing that rio was left behind for 'purely football reasons' as Hodgson had suggested

For dressing room harmony both could not go but England decided to take the player with a racism charge hanging over him instead

IMO this is part of the overall ill feeling driving rios actions

So how come Roy Hodgson hasn't rushed to pick him now John Terry has retired ?

 

[Seasider78]

So how come Roy Hodgson hasn't rushed to pick him now John Terry has retired ?

I am not suggesting that Roy's decision was not purely a football one (which would support his continued omission). What I am suggesting is in Rios head it was because of this incident he was dropped. At the time of the squad announcement rio tweeted 'footballing reasons what footballing reasons' which suggested he was not entirely convinced with the reasons given.

This is what sparked the media questions and speculation that is was because of them not getting along rio was chosen out of the two to be left behind.

 

[Simster]

Overall, I think the race relations issue is hugely complex. It ought to be easy to deal with idiots like Terry and Suarez, and I'm annoyed that these issues weren't dealt with swiftly at the time so that the whole world could just move on. Instead, they are dragged out for months so that eventually the sentence handed out is scrutinised to the nth degree. I think Terry got off a bit lightly, but shit happens sometimes. Maybe next time he won't.

There is clearly still an issue within the game when it comes to racism, in that not enough black managers have been getting the chance. If there was a quota system in place, whereby an agreed number of managerial places were made available to ethnic minorities with the right qualifications, we might see some headway. Unfortunately I can't see how that could work, but maybe a way needs to be found until ethnic candidates have the confidence that taking the badges will give them a fair crack of the whip.

Finally I will say that having an ignorant tosser like Rio Ferdiand fronting any sort of campaign does it a huge disservice. Here is a man who sees fit to pass judgement on others by advocating a term such as "choc ice". Who does he think he is describing Ashley Cole like that? He's as thick as pig shit who would probably have no interest in any of this if it wasn't for his stroppy cousin, and he's quite possibly a drugs cheat in any case.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They arent being ignored , where did i say that ?

You seem to imply that because racism is vurtually non-existent then it is not an issue i.e. it can be ignored? Maybe I got this wrong but I did add a caveat that I do not understand where you were going with line of though. Maybe you can enlighten me?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

As an aside I am always deeply suspicious when footballers get involved in any worthy causes. I cannot help but think they are trying, or even buying themselves, some pats on the back after years of being a total bell-end. My favourite is Craig Bellamy. He does not like to talk about the charity work he does apparently. It is so under the radar that not only does he mention it in every sodding interview he gives he has also discretely and vainly named his charity after himself. That last act should keep it under wraps eh Craig? No-neck Nobber.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Finally I will say that having an ignorant tosser like Rio Ferdiand fronting any sort of campaign does it a huge disservice. Here is a man who sees fit to pass judgement on others by advocating a term such as "choc ice". Who does he think he is describing Ashley Cole like that? He's as thick as pig shit who would probably have no interest in any of this if it wasn't for his stroppy cousin, and he's quite possibly a drugs cheat in any case.

And let's not forget he freely uses the term faggot to describe folk he views less than manly.

 

[beorhthelm]

There is clearly still an issue within the game when it comes to racism, in that not enough black managers have been getting the chance. If there was a quota system in place, whereby an agreed number of managerial places were made available to ethnic minorities with the right qualifications, we might see some headway. Unfortunately I can't see how that could work, but maybe a way needs to be found until ethnic candidates have the confidence that taking the badges will give them a fair crack of the whip.

whats the point of a quota system if black players aren't taking the badges? we cant seriously be saying members of this group aren't going into coaching simply because they cant get to the top of the profession, that none are interested in the coaching as a target in itself?

as for Rio, its interesting while he makes a fuss Anton continues a more dignified silence. as said, a PFA splinter group lead by the articulate Jason Roberts might be credible, but Rio at the head sound like someone trying to make headlines as their career splutters to an end.

 

[User removed 4]

Overall, I think the race relations issue is hugely complex. It ought to be easy to deal with idiots like Terry and Suarez, and I'm annoyed that these issues weren't dealt with swiftly at the time so that the whole world could just move on. Instead, they are dragged out for months so that eventually the sentence handed out is scrutinised to the nth degree. I think Terry got off a bit lightly, but shit happens sometimes. Maybe next time he won't.

There is clearly still an issue within the game when it comes to racism, in that not enough black managers have been getting the chance. If there was a quota system in place, whereby an agreed number of managerial places were made available to ethnic minorities with the right qualifications, we might see some headway. Unfortunately I can't see how that could work, but maybe a way needs to be found until ethnic candidates have the confidence that taking the badges will give them a fair crack of the whip.

Finally I will say that having an ignorant tosser like Rio Ferdiand fronting any sort of campaign does it a huge disservice. Here is a man who sees fit to pass judgement on others by advocating a term such as "choc ice". Who does he think he is describing Ashley Cole like that? He's as thick as pig shit who would probably have no interest in any of this if it wasn't for his stroppy cousin, and he's quite possibly a drugs cheat in any case.

anton ?

 

[Simster]

whats the point of a quota system if black players aren't taking the badges? we cant seriously be saying members of this group aren't going into coaching simply because they cant get to the top of the profession, that none are interested in the coaching as a target in itself?

It's a chicken and egg situation. You could put a quota system in place that comes into force in 3 years time (or however long it takes to be qualified).

as for Rio, its interesting while he makes a fuss Anton continues a more dignified silence. as said, a PFA splinter group lead by the articulate Jason Roberts might be credible, but Rio at the head sound like someone trying to make headlines as their career splutters to an end.

EFA.

 

[User removed 4]

You seem to imply that because racism is vurtually non-existent then it is not an issue i.e. it can be ignored? Maybe I got this wrong but I did add a caveat that I do not understand where you were going with line of though. Maybe you can enlighten me?

I am saying thats its virtually non existent now , so special associations/taskforces/measures dont need to be in place for it , not that it needs to be ignored, do you understand now, is that clear enough for you ?

 

[Simster]

anton ?

Sorry, I meant brother.

They all look the same anyway.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Anyway, Rio Ferdinand isn't "Black", he's distinctly "Cappucino"

 

[Bold Seagull]

And let's not forget he freely uses the term faggot to describe folk he views less than manly.

I think Rio the individual needs to be left out of the debate, the wider issue is whether the PFA is able to serve it's members equally? Many other professions and trades etc. have multiple unions, associations or professional bodies they can choose to become members of which best represent their outlook.

Perhaps there is room in the world of football in this country, for footballers to belong to an alternative to the PFA, which might represent minority views whether race, culture, religion, sexuality or whatever a particular group feel is under represented. As well as the issue whether black players get a chance to become managers or coaches, are we really to believe there are no gay men playing football at present? Are there no Gareth Thomas's in waiting, or are we really blinkered into believing our game is run in a completely equal inclusive way?

I for one think an alternative to the PFA, which is far too cosy with the FA & Premier League anyway, could shake up the way football is run, which despite numerous independent recommendations, never seems to change.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Without a definitive statement from Rio Ferdinand everything is supposition, but not articulating why he wouldn't wear the Kick It Out T-Shirt is something you might do if you're planning a breakaway union and keeping your powder dry until the launch.

I agree with what Chris Kamara was saying over the weekend, i.e. today's black players don't know they're born as compared with 20, 30, 40 years ago. I find the whole "not wearing the t-shirt but staying schtum" naive at best and downright disrespectful to the massive strides the campaign in its present and former guises has made.

 

[Brightonfan1983]

I'm sure I read an article the other day where Henry Winter described Ferdinand as being intelligent. Jesus wept.

Mr Winter's become too in awe the past decade or so. He used to be intelligent himself.

 

[Common as Mook]

I think Rio the individual needs to be left out of the debate, .

The partisan nature of club support is really what needs to be left out of the debate. Rio is firmly in the middle of this as he has been proven to condone racial language. You are being deliberately misleading if you think that this has nothing to do with a wider debate.