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Its even worse if you don't have an official ref eg the other teams manager/parent
Its even worse if you don't have an official ref eg the other teams manager/parent
Hey SeagullRic does Mitchel Rouse play for you? And Eric Wedge-Bull?
Hi Eric! How's your leg? Were Ellis Hull, Jack Zicrow and Billy Geard playing for Melford? (All ex-Withdean as you know like yourself)Mitchel does yes. I am Eric Wedge-Bull. That should answer your question as well tominho.
Hi Eric! How's your leg? Were Ellis Hull, Jack Zicrow and Billy Geard playing for Melford? (All ex-Withdean as you know like yourself)
I'm Tim, Joe's dad. I agree with your original point about respect for refs. As you know I've done it and run the line (as has your Dad!) and it's a thankless task. When I did it I was always slightly biased AGAINST Withdean (i.e. I'd always give 50-50s to the other side) to try and counter any claims of favouritism. I've reffed a couple of times this year and it's actually been alright - but it has been against teams that play in the right spirit.Jack and Bill were yeh. Bill smashed it right at my nuts, which meant i had to recover for a couple of minutes on the touchline. Brovion, what is your real name?
My leg is fine now thanks
Hi TimI'm Tim, Joe's dad. I agree with your original point about respect for refs. As you know I've done it and run the line (as has your Dad!) and it's a thankless task. When I did it I was always slightly biased AGAINST Withdean (i.e. I'd always give 50-50s to the other side) to try and counter any claims of favouritism. I've reffed a couple of times this year and it's actually been alright - but it has been against teams that play in the right spirit.
Start sending Terry, Rooney etc off for abusing the refs and some people might notice.
I haven't read the who thread, but this is something I ague about all the time.This will only get sorted when referees start standing up to this type of behaviour.
If ref gets called 'a f***ing fat bastard' and then turns a blind eye, HE, as well as the player, is the one with the problem.
Again, I don't like all these trails and schemes the FA roll out.On the subject of only captains approaching the refs, Barnet are indeed the team that have experimented with this in League 2 this season, under manager Paul Fairclough's direction and by all accounts it's a resounding success
Can't remember the figures I heard quoted but I think they've only had one red card (not for dissent) and a handful of yellows.
Definately will improve the situation I reckon (and unlike some other good ideas, may well get a wider and official trial through the leagues soon)
Ideally unqualified dads (like me) shouldn't be refereeing matches so there's always going to be some bias, unconcious or not. With regard to Joe's team discipline-wise they're not that bad at all - and the manager is not one of those 'win at all costs' arseholes, he just wants everyone to enjoy themselves. There are a couple of hotheads but they just need telling firmly what they can't do; even I haven't had any problems reffing them!Hi Tim
The think I don't like is the fact that you feel the need to give 50-50s against your side, to counter any possible cheating accusations. Most people who run the line (including my Dad) do the same thing. Although you could never fully stop the other team from calling you a cheat, if some respect was taught from an early age, then I think more younger players would start to understand that when an official makes what they think is a mistake, its normally not deliberate. From what I can gather, the team Joe plays for now aren't the nicest bunch of people you'll ever meet (with regards their conduct on the pitch)
I haven't read the who thread, but this is something I ague about all the time.
The problem has been created by one set of people. Referees. Period.
You can't blame the players, as its a sport, and in any sport, you do what you can to win. If the refs are not strong enough to stand up to the players, then that is the problem.
All this rubbish about players abusing refs is bullshit. If a player swears on the pitch, not at anyone, just swears, the rules require that player to be sent off.
Refs dont do it. In the county league I've seen players swear in frustation and be sent off. I also seen players call referees a "f***ing ****" and get told to calm down. he bottom line is if a player swear at an official, they refs need to play by the rules and send that player off. Only when ALL refs follow the laws of the game will the problem disapear.
The FA need to find their bollocks on this issue as well, as they are the ones that appoint these silly bastards to ref games. The need to root out the poor refs (most of them) and start again.
I'd love to hear a referees view on this..........
With all due respect and without being rude, you probably made the correct desicion to quit, because if your not prepared to apply the laws of the game, for whatever reason,then you shouldn't put yourself in that position.Mr B, I am an ex-ref who gave up because of the abuse and also that I was no longer enjoying the game. My final game was Whitehawk Vets at Stanmer Park, when 4/5 burly 'gentlemen' are not being very polite, are taking no notice and generally being intimidating it's not easy to 'stand up to them' bear in mind the ref is usually on thier own, on a council pitch and the safety of their car is too far away.
I have heard stories about ref's being beaten up, their cars being vandalised and being followed home. It's not all about what happens on the pitch. As these are public parks there is nothing to stop a banned player turning up the following week and having another go.
You are correct that players will know what ref's can be intimidated and undermined, by the same token a ref will go to a game having a good idea how each team will behave, I used to try and adjust my behavior accordingly, but it's not that easy if you fear for your health!
Most ref's are at the park level because that's where the quality determines they are, if they get rid of the 'poor' ones there will be virtually none left and the clubs will have to ref themselves. If we have no refs and no rules, where would we be...... France!
I haven't read the who thread, but this is something I ague about all the time.
The problem has been created by one set of people. Referees. Period.
You can't blame the players, as its a sport, and in any sport, you do what you can to win. If the refs are not strong enough to stand up to the players, then that is the problem.
All this rubbish about players abusing refs is bullshit. If a player swears on the pitch, not at anyone, just swears, the rules require that player to be sent off.
Refs dont do it. In the county league I've seen players swear in frustation and be sent off. I also seen players call referees a "f***ing ****" and get told to calm down. he bottom line is if a player swear at an official, they refs need to play by the rules and send that player off. Only when ALL refs follow the laws of the game will the problem disapear.
The FA need to find their bollocks on this issue as well, as they are the ones that appoint these silly bastards to ref games. The need to root out the poor refs (most of them) and start again.
I'd love to hear a referees view on this..........