Red card for Divers?

[Marc]

OK so last night one of the cheaterfield boys dived in the box looking for a penalty and got booked for it (well done ref). Now if the Ref has decided that he deliberatley cheated to gain a possible advantage for his team then surely this is a red card offense!
Handling the ball on the line, bringing the striker down when your the last man are both red card offences...why not diving, its in the same category!
There have been 2 blatant dives in the Prem this weekend (OK Irwin admitted he caught Phillips but in the end it was outside the box and he went on to trip up himself) and Pires (I think it was) pretty much admitted to it....its got to be stopped!

I know this has been done to death on TV by the pundits, but I'm wondering what the general consensus is with you glowious people


Discuss...

 

[perseus]

All divers should be under water.

Not only should they be made to leave the pitch, but they should sit in the bath with their head underwater, and a snorkel.



Just testing if the new "Bored" actually works.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Can't work, some challenges do actually make it look like the player dived when in actual fact they didn't .

Possibly this is something fot the FA to deal with and hand out bans for those caught, its bringing the game into disrepute innit!

 

[CAFC Matt]

OK so last night one of the cheaterfield boys dived in the box looking for a penalty and got booked for it (well done ref). Now if the Ref has decided that he deliberatley cheated to gain a possible advantage for his team then surely this is a red card offense!
Handling the ball on the line, bringing the striker down when your the last man are both red card offences...why not diving, its in the same category!
There have been 2 blatant dives in the Prem this weekend (OK Irwin admitted he caught Phillips but in the end it was outside the box and he went on to trip up himself) and Pires (I think it was) pretty much admitted to it....its got to be stopped!

I know this has been done to death on TV by the pundits, but I'm wondering what the general consensus is with you glowious people


Discuss...

They are supposed to get a yellow card for diving but all the time they get penalties etc they ain't gonna stop. It is up to the referees to uphold the laws of the game and book them.

 

[fatbadger]

you can't red card - yet another decision that could go horribly wrong. Post-hoc punishment, on the basis of video evidence, is the way forward.

 

[Turkey]

Would Leon ever get a game?

 

[Marc]

you can't red card - yet another decision that could go horribly wrong. Post-hoc punishment, on the basis of video evidence, is the way forward.

yeah video evidence after a much is a bloody good idea and needs to be enforced more. Trobule is it does'nt change the result of the match and people will argue "well if he had got sent off we would'nt of lost and got relegated...we want a replay".

 

[fatbadger]

yeah video evidence after a much is a bloody good idea and needs to be enforced more. Trobule is it does'nt change the result of the match and people will argue "well if he had got sent off we would'nt of lost and got relegated...we want a replay".

yeah, but we are just as likely to hear "if the ref hadn't (wrongly) thought he was diving, we'd have had 11 men and wouldn't have lost the game and wouldn't have been relegated" etc etc.

Diving is surely the most difficult decision a ref has to make - even if he doesn't think it's a penalty, he still has to think about the posibility of the player getting his studs caught in the turf, for instance.

 

[Brady's Old Lady]

you can't red card - yet another decision that could go horribly wrong. Post-hoc punishment, on the basis of video evidence, is the way forward.

Absolutely - I think if a player is seen, by video evidence, to have influenced the result of a game, whether by diving in the Pen. area or going down clutching face when ball has been thrown at ankle (not mentioning any names) to get fellow proff. footballer sent off, they should be banned for 10 games, double that for 2nd offences.

That's the only way that this type of thing will be stamped out.

From the other point of view referees who book the same player twice in the same game for diving, when neither was a dive (OGH v Halifax a couple of years ago), should be returned to Pub football on a sunday morning.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

The problem is, sometimes you fall over as the result of a tackle. It doesn't mean you're looking for a penalty, just that someone knocked you off balance while tackling you.

Some refs think they have to book everyone who falls over in the box, regardless of whether they claimed a penalty or not. They should go after the tarts who roll around the rest of the field as well as in the box.

 

[tedebear]

I think the video ref should be called in at the scene of the crime and we would all be left waiting on the edge of our seats for the red or green light at the cricket - that way its decided then and there and can't retroactively affect the outcome of the game...

btw the dive that gave Real the penalty goal last night was Oscar winning...

 

[Marc]

I think the video ref should be called in at the scene of the crime and we would all be left waiting on the edge of our seats for the red or green light at the cricket - that way its decided then and there and can't retroactively affect the outcome of the game...

btw the dive that gave Real the penalty goal last night was Oscar winning...

video evidence is a in my book, maybe for over the goal line incidents but other than that it would wreck the flowing nature of the game. In Cricket its alright because its aslow game, but a high temp footy match could be ruined with video evidence because the ref did'nt see a possible handball.

 

[tedebear]

video evidence is a in my book, maybe for over the goal line incidents but other than that it would wreck the flowing nature of the game. In Cricket its alright because its aslow game, but a high temp footy match could be ruined with video evidence because the ref did'nt see a possible handball.

true it would ruin the flow of the game but it would be up to the referees discretion as to when he would call on the video ump. Given that there are probably 1 or 2 contentious decisions a game this probably wouldn't halt the flow too much I think? At least its decided then and there?

alternatively we just have to put up with the ref making his own decisions and agree to abide by them - if we didn't have the tele we'd probably never know the truth anyhow!

 

[Reading Posh]

alternatively we just have to put up with the ref making his own decisions and agree to abide by them - if we didn't have the tele we'd probably never know the truth anyhow!

Spot on - how boring would football be if there was no controversy?

 

[perseus]

The trouble is the video and television cameras can distort the image (e.g. a long lens will compress the distance). It will only be an extra help, it will not be a deciding factor.

Still the design of Albion's new stadium, should include this possibility?

My thinking it is a non-goer because of practical design difficulties.

 

[Gritt23]

Red card would just put too much pressure on the ref, and the decision. What a MASSIVE moment it becomes when it is either a prof fould, penalty and red card for the defender, or a red card for the attacker for diving. Nah, that would make it worse, IMHO.

The only way to stop it is to make the managers take hold of their diving players and demand they stop. "But how do you do that Gritty", I hear you ask.

It has to be a video panel on the monday morning reviewing all such incidents. Anyone found guilty can face a ban of between 5 and 10 games. Perhaps if Wenger was faced with losing Pires for 25% of the season, he would not stand in the post match interview laughing at what his player has done.

Put a SERIOUS penalty in place and it stops. Just look at how little arguing about free kicks there is now we have the 10 yard rule for dissent. However, diving is less clear cut at the time, so has to be on review, but it needs to be asap, not a few weeks down the line, as most FA decisions seem to be.

 

[Benny Seagull]

televison analysis doesn't distort but tell the truth. we can all see by highlights of arsenal games etc that pires is a blatent cheat and nobody can doubt that.

red cards though is to harsh. yellow is the right punishment but definately it needs to be cracked down on. simply, it should go to fifa is there is a suspicion and even if the game has finished, they should still be able to punish players with bans if found gulity.

 

[tainan]

Agree 100% with Gritt23. What player would dive knowing he'll be banned for a load of games when its seen on video the next morning. The ban should be doubled if the ref actually gives a penalty. Ref should still book him there & then in case a player thinks today's match is so important it doesn't matter if he misses the next dozen.

 

[perseus]

Television at the Goldstone was distorted, and it all does to some extent as it cannot be in the optimum place at one time. Cameras are good for photo finishes, cricket decisions when the camera is viewing a small area, and on the goal-line to see if the ball goes over the line, but still very tricky and expensive and needing prolonged analysis to get any benefits for anything else.

Goldstone: do you think that idiot who came on the pitch against Orient aimed a kick at Ray Wilkins? If you watched the video, you would have thought he did. But from where the referee was standing he just kicked thin air. It would not stand up in a Court of Law, so it is not much good for football matches either. But that is just one video camera a long way away on the East Terrace. To make it work on a football pitch, there would have to be cameras all over the place, the referee is usually best placed to see.