Record Employment.

[Beach Hut]

Record employment levels, record unemployment figures so why aren't the taxmens coffers overflowing instead of stagnating ? Surely they are not fiddling these figures ?

Perhaps the most damned evidence of the lot.

This whole thing is a total fiddle given my eldest was chucked off job seekers allowance once when it was bean counting time for allegedly not attending interviews but did 4 that week.

 

[beorhthelm]

Selective use of data there to back up your argument.

hardly selective, its basic data behind the headline stats. the objection i have is with the notion that all the new jobs are low pay, part-time jobs. which some people seem to think dont count as jobs.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

The state does not create a single job, except jobs paid for by the private sector. The market and those who set up business's create employment. No chancellor creates work unless he is a socialist and thinks that the state should decide what people do for a living. Why people don't know this I find odd.

If the government pay £400m for a new road, people get jobs to build that road. Seems like job creation to me. As for the OP, why are we using employment and not unemployment? Surely both could rise if we have an increasing population therefore giving the possibility of two newspapers running the headlines 'record unemployment' and 'record employment!'.

 

[perseus]

This is the blurb.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/full-time-jobs-fuel-new-record-employment-rate

Public sector:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand...l/bulletins/publicsectoremployment/2015-09-16

My local impression is that a few workers (quite a lot) are pleased with a job but struggling on the low wages. Workers in the public sector feel that they are being cheated and I agree with them.

 

[GT49er]

so you're saying this representitive of all jobs available? you can provide the figures to support this, or using an example of a single visible group without any further research to back up the assertion?

Yes, that would seem pretty representative to most reasonable people, I think. Perhaps you can come up with a list of, say a dozen, full time, [B}permanent[/B] jobs available to the average bloke which will support a family and pay off the mortgage. Not many of those around, are there.
Jobs for life - full time - are you still living in the 1960s or what?

 

[darkwolf666]

hardly selective, its basic data behind the headline stats. the objection i have is with the notion that all the new jobs are low pay, part-time jobs. which some people seem to think dont count as jobs.

I don't think ALL new jobs are part time, but just get fed up of politicians of all persuasions when in power spinning out the same rhetoric and at the same time manipulating the figures. Another example of this is making all children stay on at school until 18 - now is this done to further their education and improve their employment chances or as a means of making sure they don't join the jobless figures and make things look worse? You decide which!

 

[CheeseRolls]

I am not aware of any time in our history, when high employment hasn't meant high wage inflation, which again points out the lack of security and prospects for those without specific skills that are in demand.

A decade ago call centres were the big thing, now I think the big thing is people with multiple jobs. Man with a van who does removals, gardening, painting and decorating. Woman who does nails, leads slimming classes, a bit of childcare, maybe some dog walking and a couple of shifts in B&Q.

 

[Captain Sensible]

Leave the EU and watch the unemployment figures shoot up! Just saying.

 

[darkwolf666]

Leave the EU and watch the unemployment figures shoot up! Just saying.

Why? If Britain is going to be such a terrible place to live if we leave the EU then surely all the economic migrants that have flooded the country in the last 15 years will leave and there will be jobs for all!!!

Oh! and the streets of London ARE paved with gold.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes, that would seem pretty representative to most reasonable people, I think. Perhaps you can come up with a list of, say a dozen, full time, [B}permanent[/B] jobs available to the average bloke which will support a family and pay off the mortgage. Not many of those around, are there.
Jobs for life - full time - are you still living in the 1960s or what?

already gave the stats above that show most jobs a part time and majority of new jobs are in construction and professional. the stats are out there, so feel free to show how jobs arent good enough by your arbitary measure, which probably didnt exist for alot of people in the 60's either (when majority wouldnt have had a mortgage).

 

[reigate]

I worked in the world of crime analysis for a number of years. The figures were constantly manipulated to prove a point in your favour or against an opponents ideas. Politicians do exactly the same with their figures whatever they may be!

A bit like nsc. I'm sure someone said the other day " if you ignore the games when we scored 4 goals, we our goal average is poor "

 

[darkwolf666]

A bit like nsc. I'm sure someone said the other day " if you ignore the games when we scored 4 goals, we our goal average is poor "

I hadn't seen that one, but yep that's just about it...

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Exactly Ernie...
We're told that we're basically booming and yet all we do is make cuts after cuts and don't build schools,hospitals and enough homes etc etc.
It's blatantly clear that our tax payers money is going elsewhere while the people of Britain get taken for complete mugs.

YES, £55 million a day to the EU
regards
DR

 

[e77]

YES, £55 million a day to the EU
regards
DR

Wrong

Actually £23 million a day net

 

[sir albion]

Wrong

Actually £23 million a day net

Still money thrown away as the EU is nothing but a glorified agency...Countries do not need this organisation to trade and the sooner it collapses the better.
The point is that this country gives billions away every year to mostly pointless causes and the only ones who win are corrupt countries with dodgy leaders or some idiotic organisation that rakes in billions for doing fack all.

Our aid budget is another issue that needs addressing as most never reaches its destination due to the hideous red tape in the middle.

 

[heathgate]

Our aid budget is another issue that needs addressing as most never reaches its destination due to the hideous red tape in the middle.

It's simply theft..... corruption.... unaccountable government officials in tin pot 3rd world countries, who play at democracy.

 

[sir albion]

It's simply theft..... corruption.... unaccountable government officials in tin pot 3rd world countries, who play at democracy.

Apparently half of the 1 billion we sent to Syria was also swallowed up on red tape...The people that need it barely get scraps if they're lucky.Lets not forget that this country doesn't even have a correct channel of checking the trail of aid as its so bloody obsessed with meeting its 11 billion foreign aid budget deadline....it's pathetic the way this country blows tax payers money without thinking and it's no wonder we have such huge debts.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wrong

Actually £23 million a day net

ha ha, who cares, still a waste IMHO
regards
DR

 

[e77]

Still money thrown away as the EU is nothing but a glorified agency...Countries do not need this organisation to trade and the sooner it collapses the better.
The point is that this country gives billions away every year to mostly pointless causes and the only ones who win are corrupt countries with dodgy leaders or some idiotic organisation that rakes in billions for doing fack all.

Our aid budget is another issue that needs addressing as most never reaches its destination due to the hideous red tape in the middle.

It is a club that we pay to join. Practically everyone would like to see the trading arrangements remain but if we were to leave we would still have to follow a lot of the rules (including free movement of workers like Norway) but wouldn't have a say in making the rules.

 

[e77]

ha ha, who cares, still a waste IMHO
regards
DR

I always thought you were more than happy to pay any price for a German dominated Europe?