[Albion] Quarter Final Time and Date [Saturday 29th March - 5:15pm]

[Jimmy Grimble]

From what I just added up (after watching all of these goals back!) he has gone the right way on 4 of 12 occasions. It would be incorrect to claim he'd 'guessed right' four times though, as the Salah one he waits for the kick and then dives for it. On every other occasion he commits early.

Match	H/A	Score (BHA first)	Taker	Foot	Ball goes to Barts…	Bart dives to his…	Notes
2023/24
Liverpool PL	H	2-2	Salah	L	R	R	Dives after kick, so can't reach it
Forest PL	H	2-2	Gibbs-White	R	R	L
Stoke FAC	A	4-2	Baker	R	R	R	Unsaveable
Arsenal PL	H	0-3	Saka	L	R	L
2024/25
Forest PL	H	2-2	Wood	R	R	L
Chelsea PL	A	2-4	Palmer	L	R	L
Villa PL	A	2-2	Watkins	R	R	L
Man Utd PL	A	3-1	Fernandez	R	R	L
Everton PL	H	0-1	Ndiaye	R	R	R	Saveable
Forest PL	A	0-7	Wood	R	L	R
Newcastle FAC	A	2-1	Isak	R	R	R	Unsaveable
Man City PL	A	2-2	Haaland	L	L	R

Interesting how many go to Bart’s right. Feels like it might be too many to be a coincidence.

Generally do you think he goes too early then? Of the clips I just rewatched I found it hard to tell. If he is, then it’s not by much. But I guess those are the fine margins at this level.

The Ndiaye one it definitely felt like he should’ve saved if he had dived a few split seconds earlier.

 

[Ding Dong !]

Bart..........dive right

 

[Machiavelli]

I heard Bart on the official podcast a few weeks ago - an interesting episode. He (or the stats guys behind the scenes) obviously put a lot of work into predicting which way the kicker will go. Unfortunately it's not easy! Penalty takers at Premier League level tend to be VERY good.

Thanks for this.
From the helpful grid laid out by @hans kraay fan club, Bart predicts that the taker goes right too often -- on ten out of twelve occasions -- whereas the kicks are split 50:50 between left and right.
All I'll say on this is if you look at those graphics Sky put up for where the penalty-taker of the moment has hit past penalties, there does tend to be a fairly even spread, so maybe Bart needs to reflect on this.

 

[Insel affe]

Thanks for this.
From the helpful grid laid out by @hans kraay fan club, Bart predicts that the taker goes right too often -- on ten out of twelve occasions -- whereas the kicks are split 50:50 between left and right.
All I'll say on this is if you look at those graphics Sky put up for where the penalty-taker of the moment has hit past penalties, there does tend to be a fairly even spread, so maybe Bart needs to reflect on this.

yeah and dive 50% of the time left and 50% to the right, trouble is they will smack it down the middle....

 

[Nottseagull]

It is a bit of a moot point in truth as it relies so much on how many away fans would be in home stands. A bit like Palace's famous 51K v. Burnley which included fans of other clubs from all over London who fancied a laugh on a Friday night - 5 years later Palace averaged 6K at Selhurst over a whole season!

Also quite a few Albion fans in attendance according to this thread. It's because if Palace had dropped a point, we would have secured the championship. https://www.northstandchat.com/thre...y-51-000-see-palace-deny-us-the-title.372781/

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Thanks for this.
From the helpful grid laid out by @hans kraay fan club, Bart predicts that the taker goes right too often -- on ten out of twelve occasions -- whereas the kicks are split 50:50 between left and right.
All I'll say on this is if you look at those graphics Sky put up for where the penalty-taker of the moment has hit past penalties, there does tend to be a fairly even spread, so maybe Bart needs to reflect on this.

Think you’ve read it wrong? The taker goes to Bart’s right 10/12 of times. Bart dives to his right 6/12.

10/12 going to his right to me suggests it was being targeted. In fact, up until the three most recent penalties, 9 consecutive players went to his right!

As I posted above, that feels like too many to be a coincidence. Either his body language gives away when he’s going to dive left, or he is weaker springing to his right. Perhaps both.

If I was advising what to do against him, I’d be telling the taker to go hard to Bart’s right - even if he does go the right way, you’d feel confident he wouldn’t save it!

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Think you’ve read it wrong? The taker goes to Bart’s right 10/12 of times. Bart dives to his right 6/12.

10/12 going to his right to me suggests it was being targeted. In fact, up until the three most recent penalties, 9 consecutive players went to his right!

As I posted above, that feels like too many to be a coincidence. Either his body language gives away when he’s going to dive left, or he is weaker springing to his right. Perhaps both.

If I was advising what to do against him I’d be telling the taker to go hard to Bart’s right - even if he does go the right way you’d feel confident he wouldn’t save it!

I'm a left-footed (though right-handed) keeper. I am MUCH stronger diving to my right than my left. As such, unless I think I have spotted a 'tell' in the taker's body shape, I would always dive right - for the reasons you suggest (my weaker dive left wouldn't reach the corner anyway, so my odds are better on my stronger side).

(Obviously there is no video DOSSIER on my goalkeeping for penalty takers to analyse, so I could get away with always going the same way. Bart doesn't have that luxury, and possibly needs to mix it up a bit!)

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I'm a left-footed (though right-handed) keeper. I am MUCH stronger diving to my right than my left. As such, unless I think I have spotted a 'tell' in the taker's body shape, I would always dive right - for the reasons you suggest (my weaker dive left wouldn't reach the corner anyway, so my odds are better on my stronger side).

I’ve done the reverse when taking a penalty in a shootout. I prefer going to the keeper’s left but if I’ve noticed they’re uncomfortable going to their right I switch.

I’ve ended up looking to see open play goals Bart’s conceded to his right since the turn of the year. Aside from the Forest game (couldn’t bring myself to sit through that), he’s not actually conceded that many. A few penalties, a couple of screamers and his own cock-up (Chelsea FA Cup). But… three to his right (Jimenez, Rogers and Nwaneri) - none of which I’d say were totally unsaveable, but probably too harsh to say he should’ve saved them.

 

[Machiavelli]

Think you’ve read it wrong? The taker goes to Bart’s right 10/12 of times. Bart dives to his right 6/12.

10/12 going to his right to me suggests it was being targeted. In fact, up until the three most recent penalties, 9 consecutive players went to his right!

As I posted above, that feels like too many to be a coincidence. Either his body language gives away when he’s going to dive left, or he is weaker springing to his right. Perhaps both.

If I was advising what to do against him, I’d be telling the taker to go hard to Bart’s right - even if he does go the right way, you’d feel confident he wouldn’t save it!

Yes, you're right.

 

[Steve in Japan]

Yes.

Unless you want to pay for a lounge access seat - and there's not many of those left now either.

Must be a pint of drambuie and a swan pie for £120......

 

[brighton_tom]

About 30 seats left.. either expensive lounge access seats or wheelchair spaces.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I'm a left-footed (though right-handed) keeper. I am MUCH stronger diving to my right than my left. As such, unless I think I have spotted a 'tell' in the taker's body shape, I would always dive right - for the reasons you suggest (my weaker dive left wouldn't reach the corner anyway, so my odds are better on my stronger side).

(Obviously there is no video DOSSIER on my goalkeeping for penalty takers to analyse, so I could get away with always going the same way. Bart doesn't have that luxury, and possibly needs to mix it up a bit!)

This to an extent.
I was fortunate to train with Paul Cooper in the 80s, (for younger NSCers he had an amazing record at saving penalties around 1980/81), and he argued correctly in my mind that sometimes, it was better to follow the ball as not every penalty hit the corner of the goal.
In the event of a penalty shoot out, 3 onwards are usually a little more flakey.

 

[Terry Connor]

Chris Wood hip injury while playing for NZ.

 

[Hiheidi]

Chris Wood hip injury while playing for NZ.

 

[Insel affe]

oh dear what a shame....










NOT

 

[El Turi]

I don’t think we can get too excited about Wood being injured as it looks like Mitoma has picked up a knock and we’ve still got 4 of our best players with another international match to play.

 

[Milano]

I don’t think we can get too excited about Wood being injured as it looks like Mitoma has picked up a knock and we’ve still got 4 of our best players with another international match to play.

And significant travel on top.
The timing of this cup QF is annoyingly bad for us. Although Forest have their best CB in the Brazil squad too.
I can foresee none of our south american players starting on Saturday.

Although I think we can replace Mitoma in our side easier than Forest can replace Wood. It's a big blow for them if he's out.

 

[pigmanovich]

Although I think we can replace Mitoma in our side easier than Forest can replace Wood. It's a big blow for them if he's out.

Agreed - Awoniyi is rubbish by comparison.

 

[Easy 10]

Agreed - Awoniyi is rubbish by comparison.

Now you've gone and done it.

 

[Comrade Sam]

Am I missing something? The part of the ticket site that you click for mobile wallet won't activate. But there's a box to tick for resale. Where's my actual tickets?