Public Sector Cuts and Job Losses.

[User removed 4]

:US:

shit, thats driven a coach and horses through my argument.

 

[Lokki 7]

a token navy ?? were an island for f*** sake !! the way the world is at the moment with a resurgent russia flexing its muscles , and china waiting in the wings to put america in its place , we need to spend more , not less on defence, perhaps the legions of outreach co-ordinators and all the other non jobs advertised in the guardian could be cut for a start.

What are our threats though? China? Really? China can't afford to invade the US. The US owes them $1 trillion in notes. If Russia want to stage a land invasion, how much do we need to spend to effectively repel it? Whatever the sum we don't have it so why bother with half measures? I think the Somali's would run out of fuel before they get this far so what is your real concern here?

 

[London Calling]

You make lots of points and can't be arsed to address them all so lets look at this paragraph. The first part "there is no difference". Exactly, all are bloated and inefficient. Yes of course there are undervalued and under payed people, and some areas are more beneficial than others but we would all be better off in the long run with some heavy pruning. For every decent hard working chap that would be hard done by there'd be a dozen culls that were long over due.

How many banks have you had a complete inside knowledge of to be able to state that they are as inefficient as Hackney Council?

To me businesses need to be compared like for like.

A 10 person business in the UK 2009, with turnover £400,000 in a sector such as printing will be highly efficient.

Barclays Bank front line service in Hackney, dealing with pensions, benefits, small accounts, operates a similar or lesser service than say, Hackney Council Dpt. Monitor waiting times etc. The classic one teller on at lunch time.

This is one of the reasons that HSBC have closed down a lot of these accounts in its inner city areas and move to self service. It has basically pushed the low earning/ lost making accounts elsewhere.

Unfortunately, the Councils have a legal duty to still serve the same people, complementing this service, comes the audit trail, the need to provide a customer care service, that meets the diversity of the area, the need to provide a out of office service. All of this costs.

 

[User removed 4]

What are our threats though? China? Really? China can't afford to invade the US. The US owes them $1 trillion in notes. If Russia want to stage a land invasion, how much do we need to spend to effectively repel it? Whatever the sum we don't have it so why bother with half measures? I think the Somali's would run out of fuel before they get this far so what is your real concern here?

taiwan is where the chinese will look to put the imperialist yankee dogs in their place, and discount an oil and gas rich russian government determined to reassert authority and recapture their former self esteem at your peril, as for the somalis? they've over run large parts of england already .

 

[Lokki 7]

To me businesses need to be compared like for like.

A 10 person business in the UK 2009, with turnover £400,000 in a sector such as printing will be highly efficient.

Barclays Bank front line service in Hackney, dealing with pensions, benefits, small accounts, operates a similar or pprer service than say, Hackney Council Dpt.

This is one of the reasons that HSBC have closed down a lot of these accounts in its inner city areas and move to self service. It has basically pushed the low earning/ lost making accounts elsewhere.

Unfortunately, the Councils have a legal duty to still serve the same people, complementing this service, comes the audit trail, the need to provide a customer care service, that meets the diversity of the area, the need to provide a out of office service. All of this costs.

= Cop out.

You said Hackney Council is as efficiently run as a multi-billion pound bank. This is not true. Banks are run more efficiently, yet banks are shedding 20% of their workforce so why can't Hackney council?

Firefighters and teachers make the headlines but lets cut the black and asian gay and lesbian support groups and the like. I read the Sunday Times and the Appointments section always has "six figure salary" jobs advertised in local councils and NHS Trusts for things you wouldn't believe. Get rid of these fuckers.

 

[Lokki 7]

taiwan is where the chinese will look to put the imperialist yankee dogs in their place, and discount an oil and gas rich russian government determined to reassert authority and recapture their former self esteem at your peril, as for the somalis? they've over run large parts of england already .

Accept it, there is nothing we can do if China or Russia come calling (which they won't because it's not in their interest). We are a tiny jumped up island that could spend £10bn of defence budget much more effectively away from the armed forces.

As for the Somali's, at least they brought leagilised drugs into the country (Khat), surely they deserve respect for that if nothing else?

 

[El Presidente]

It looks as if ten universities are to be closed by 2012!

 

[User removed 4]

It looks as if ten universities are to be closed by 2012!

shit !! how the f*** are we meant to produce countless unemployable media studies graduates now

 

[London Calling]

no coping out,

and whilst I appreciate the improvements at say Hackney, it is not a perfect organisation. But I say, compare like for like to an organisation that has a turnover of a £billion delivers services to the most deprived constituents in the UK and the social problems associated with that!!

Deliverers services such as Education, Planning, OAP homes, roads, ground maintenance.

To be honest name me a Private sector company that delivers the range of services as a Council?

But to your crucial point can 20% of jobs be cut without having a negative impact.

Yes you can be dismissive of the Councils legal obligations under the various Equality Acts but that losses 5 jobs but what about the other 1000 (to meet your 19.99% other cut in say Hackney).

I am not for protection of jobs per se, not against cuts, but Councils, NHS etc deliver services to meet need.

It is too easy for politicians to proclaim we make x cuts. But there is little flesh outside the legal requirements of Councils, to make cuts.

Thus we deliver sub standard services, or like in Haringey, fail to protect our young and needy.

 

[London Calling]

Accept it, there is nothing we can do if China or Russia come calling (which they won't because it's not in their interest). We are a tiny jumped up island that could spend £10bn of defence budget much more effectively away from the armed forces.

As for the Somali's, at least they brought leagilised drugs into the country (Khat), surely they deserve respect for that if nothing else?

But then can we ever defend ourselves againgst russia or china if they want to beef it up?

 

[Lokki 7]

But then can we ever defend ourselves againgst russia or china if they want to beef it up?

No.

 

[London Calling]

No.

Agree, so we might as well prepare ourselves againgst realistic foe.

Trident out the window then.

Withdraw from anywhere with Stan in the title.

 

[User removed 4]

No.

yes we can if they ever think several megaton warheads will be detonating over their cities if they threaten the same, do you not think the cold war was won through the threat of mutually assured destruction?

 

[Lokki 7]

yes we can if they ever think several megaton warheads will be detonating over their cities if they threaten the same, do you not think the cold war was won through the threat of mutually assured destruction?

It was won through Big Macs and repeats of Dallas. And that isn't even tongue in cheek.

Then again, as my Missus will bore you with, the Finns "beat" Russia in World War II. They had to side with the Nazis mind. And they were part occupied come the wars end and gave over huge areas of Keralia to Russia but somehow Finns define this as winning so it must be possible to beat Russia when massively outgunned afterall.

But as I said earlier, Russia has no interest in a war. The relatively minor war in Georgia caused a collapse in the Ruble which slashed the fortunes of the Russian elite. What do you think a war with Nato would do? In whose interest would this be?

 

[User removed 4]

It was won through Big Macs and repeats of Dallas. And that isn't even tongue in cheek.

thats true up to a point , but do you truthfully think that the soviets would have stayed behind the warsaw pact borders if nato had disarmed unilaterally ?

 

[Lokki 7]

thats true up to a point , but do you truthfully think that the soviets would have stayed behind the warsaw pact borders if nato had disarmed unilaterally ?

If my granny had bollocks she'd be my grandad.

 

[Dave the OAP]

shit, thats driven a coach and horses through my argument.

I would hardly think the string of words you put down as constituting an argument

But do carry on...its facinating

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Take the civil service bureaucracy in the MOD for an example - there is at present one civil servant for every two members of the Armed Forces. How on earth can this be justified?

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

I bet they threaten us with schools and hospitals closing,cutting fire services,coppers,They allways do ,when everyone knows it is the oxygen thieves in town halls that need the boot,all the pub quizzing shysters,gypsy liason officers,sleeper cell resettlement officers,wheely bin gestapo,park and ride facillitators,f*** em all...

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Take the civil service bureaucracy in the MOD for an example - there is at present one civil servant for every two members of the Armed Forces. How on earth can this be justified?

IF that is true it is quite outrageous.

IF.

And then after they retire we're still paying them!