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[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places







clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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People are more aware of what they say on social media as a result

They really really aren't. Where she f'up is possibly she was unaware of how twitter (particularly) has changed.

It's now a cesspit of extreme right wing views, anyone who uses it knows that the algorithms have changed. Her "tweet" was actually a broadcast...

and it's exactly the same today,
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Who has now retracted it apparently. Really stop politicising it and read the appeal judgement.


The Appeal judgement mentioned her social media history. Her phone was full of racist, nasty comments, so the one she posted wasn’t a one off.
Three Appeal judges confirmed the rejection.
Using her ‘young mother’ status is deliberately emotive. I also wonder if her physical appearance is also deliberate as she is good looking.
I suspect if she had been an older woman with wrinkles, fewer people would be backing her.
 


carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
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Her actual words were:

“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f***ing hotels full of the bastards for all I care, while you’re at it take the treacherous government and politicians with them. I feel physically sick knowing what these families will now have to endure. If that makes me racist so be it”

Pretty awful by anyone's standards. She's probably unlikely to commit a similar crime again, but it is absolutely vital (not just regarding the safety of asylum-seekers, but for all of us) that people who use social media to incite violence and hatred are dealt with harshly. She "only" wrote a tweet, but the consequences could have been horrendous. If the sentence was reduced it would have sent out a dangerous message, I think, to others of her ilk.

Plus - for anyone to write such stuff - they must have a serious level of hatred....a very unpleasant person.
Strange though that a school teacher can be forced into hiding (for 4 years now) and not a single person has been arrested for making death threats against them

 




allystrat

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Dec 19, 2011
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Meanwhile, the Asian men who decked police officers at Manchester Airport (6 months ago maybe?) have still not been brought to justice.
 
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A1X

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Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Meanwhile, the Asian men who decked police officers at Manchester Airport (6 months ago maybe?) have still not been bought to justice.
They appeared in court in January at Liverpool Magistrates Court. It was sent to Liverpool Crown Court on 13th February, pleading not guilty, and the trial is in June.

Stop stirring it up.

 




rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
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The Court of Appeals judgement can be found here:


Interesting to read that the maximum sentence she could have got was 7 years. She got off too lightly.
 


A1X

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Nobby Cybergoat

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Meanwhile, the Asian men who decked police officers at Manchester Airport (6 months ago maybe?) have still not been bought to justice.
Given @Thunder Bolt's excellent deconstruction of your post, do you still feel like you have a point? Do you still feel there is some sort of two tier, justice system wokery going on? Or do you feel like you've been misled by pernicious social media accounts?
 




nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
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nowhere near Burgess Hill
Given @Thunder Bolt's excellent deconstruction of your post, do you still feel like you have a point? Do you still feel there is some sort of two tier, justice system wokery going on? Or do you feel like you've been misled by pernicious social media accounts?

Visibly it seems a long time to have to wait for it to go to court as is Ricky Jones long awaited trial. Mike Amesbury however can get sentenced, appeal and released by a crown court judge within 3 days.
 










Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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Does a guilty plea affect the length of time between sentence and appeal then ?, If so then I wasn't aware of that.
If someone pleads guilty then the prosecution doesn't have to build the case against them. They've owned up. This is what takes the time.

Now, not everyone has knowledge of how the criminal justice system works. But I can 100% guarantee you, that the people on whatever sites led you to believe there was a comparison between the two situations and it was somehow evidence of a two tier justice system, absolutely knew the difference and set out to deliberately mislead you.
 


nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
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If someone pleads guilty then the prosecution doesn't have to build the case against them. They've owned up. This is what takes the time.

Now, not everyone has knowledge of how the criminal justice system works. But I can 100% guarantee you, that the people on whatever sites led you to believe there was a comparison between the two situations and it was somehow evidence of a two tier justice system, absolutely knew the difference and set out to deliberately mislead you.
I'm not talking about the time to build a case against them, I'm talking about him being sentenced to 10 weeks in prison but is able to get an appeal heard at crown court 3 days later where the sentence is reduced and he walks free.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I'm not talking about the time to build a case against them, I'm talking about him being sentenced to 10 weeks in prison but is able to get an appeal heard at crown court 3 days later where the sentence is reduced and he walks free.
Your timeline is out.

He pleaded guilty on 16th January at Chester Magistrates court. He appealed his sentence 27th February, which by any stretch of the imagination is not 3 days.

When did Lucy apply for an appeal hearing?

Are you aware that different areas have different waiting times depending on the number of crimes committed, guilty pleas and adjournments?
 




nevergoagain

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Jul 28, 2005
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Your timeline is out.

He pleaded guilty on 16th January at Chester Magistrates court. He appealed his sentence 27th February, which by any stretch of the imagination is not 3 days.

When did Lucy apply for an appeal hearing?

Are you aware that different areas have different waiting times depending on the number of crimes committed, guilty pleas and adjournments?
Sigh.... you aren't really getting this are you, please put me back on ignore.

Plead guilty on 16th Jan
SENTENCED on 24th Feb
Appealed 27th Feb
 




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