[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[BadFish]

zzzzzzzz yes , yes , yes mate , because I don't care about the country of my birth and all my friends and relatives who live there , "place is f***ed" its a standard reply from folk who have recently visited , but you'd be all over that from your vantage point in the western outskirts of Victoria.

Your geography needs a little work if that is where you think I am.

FWIW I hear similar from friends and family back in the UK, although, I find it hard to place the blame on a relatively small number of people seeking asylum (although the consistently poor policy decisions from the Tories for 14 years made the whole thing way more expensive than it needed to be). From what I see the place is f***ed because of years of austerity stifling public spending and causing self-imposed economic sanctions voted for in part by people who were convinced that the brown people seeking a better life were to be blamed for their situation and the solution to this would be to leave the EU and stop Europeans from entering the country.

What staggers me more is that there are still people who are buying this shit.

 

[Nobby]

what ones that pay thousands to immigrate through the propper channels , get a job straight away , never claim a cent from the dole in over 30 yrs , put kids through private school , pay private health insurance ... those king of immigrants ...??

ok , for the slow of thinking lets rephrase ....lets call them refugees seeing as they all claim to be fleeing persecution of one sort or another.

So you’re a refugee too then Sid?
97% of these people are just like you.
They will get a job and then pay taxes to support Education, the NHS and pay the pensions of a lot of the ingrates like you.
Who will pay your old age pension now you’ve fecked off? Genuinely interested
I hope my taxes don’t pay for a refugee like you someone who doesn’t even contribute to our economy any more
Absolute disgrace in my humble opinion

 

[rogersix]

what is the alternative to rioting if corporates and govt. have shat on you for 45 years (and more) and now the slow , steady demise of the country is staring everyone in the face , what is the alternative really ...?? just ignore it ...?? sure there are plenty of places in the UK that are still quite pleasant to live but equally there are places that are out of control for whatever reason that may be , this thread is about "rioting in lots of places" ....ok I'll concede there may be a hardcore of right wing agitators who are stirring shit up but is it not warranted , what is the alternative ..?? go and speak to your M.P ...??

Lets face it Britain has got a pretty poor track record when in comes to invading and colonising and there appears to be a fair amount of appeasement going on , contemporary Britain appears to be consoling refugees to atone for transgressions of the past , this may not be the case but it is how it appears.

your argument is one sided and is diametrically opposed to mine , you are saying you see no issue with thousands of largely unidentifiable young men entering the country and being clothed , housed and fed at public expense ...?? I'll grant you this whole issue is probably being used as a smoke screen to rinse/siphon off as much public money as possible into the coffers of "the same old suspects" , I don't think you or I can come on a football forum and engage in a politically charged thread and expect everyone to agree and get along wonderfully , everyone has different opinions.



As if it wasn't bad enough Starmer is now talking about boots on the ground in Ukraine but that is probably worth a thread of its own

who is the enemy?

 

[darkwolf666]

who is the enemy?

I'm going to guess at a mix of the following:-

The Left
The Woke
The Woke Left
Kier Starmer
Two Tier something or other
The Police
The Courts
Bill Gates
Anyone who didn't vote for Donald Trump
Anyone who didn't vote Reform
Anyone who believes that people like Andrew Tate are dangerous
People who wore masks during Covid
People who have their children vacinnated
Anyone that doesn't have a years supply of tin foil
Foreigners, excluding the British in foreign lands, obviously!

I'm sure there are others, but you get the gist...

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

what ones that pay thousands to immigrate through the propper channels , get a job straight away , never claim a cent from the dole in over 30 yrs , put kids through private school , pay private health insurance ... those king of immigrants ...??

ok , for the slow of thinking lets rephrase ....lets call them refugees seeing as they all claim to be fleeing persecution of one sort or another.

All I can say is thank f*** for that you miserable sod.

The thing is, you lost any rights to lecture us when you buggered off to Oz. You made the choice to leave which is fine as I have friends who did the same thing, but like them you ain’t a Brit anymore. You pay no taxes and you have no meaningful input to the UK.

Enjoy the sun.

 

[BadFish]

I'm going to guess at a mix of the following:-

The Left
The Woke
The Woke Left
Kier Starmer
Two Tier something or other
The Police
The Courts
Bill Gates
Anyone who didn't vote for Donald Trump
Anyone who didn't vote Reform
Anyone who believes that people like Andrew Tate are dangerous
People who wore masks during Covid
People who have their children vacinnated
Anyone that doesn't have a years supply of tin foil
Foreigners, excluding the British in foreign lands, obviously!

I'm sure there are others, but you get the gist...

Refugees of course, apart from the ones I play football with and teach. They are okay.

The mental gymnastics required is considerable . . . unless you don't really think about it for long.

 

[Springal]

Shame @sydney didn’t also invest in some written English lessons for himself while putting his kids through private school

 

[Hometownglory]

There is a argument that Brighton and Hove hasn't seen the rapid change in its indentity through mass immigration like some communities further north. Brighton isn't the most culturally diverse city in the UK. Tolerant and open yes, diverse? No. I reckon there are quite a few champagne socialists on this thread.

 

[A1X]

No. I reckon there are quite a few champagne socialists on this thread.

I’m a champagne socialist. I believe everyone deserves champagne.

 

[Cordwainer]

I'm going to guess at a mix of the following:-

The Left
The Woke
The Woke Left
Kier Starmer
Two Tier something or other
The Police
The Courts
Bill Gates
Anyone who didn't vote for Donald Trump
Anyone who didn't vote Reform
Anyone who believes that people like Andrew Tate are dangerous
People who wore masks during Covid
People who have their children vacinnated
Anyone that doesn't have a years supply of tin foil
Foreigners, excluding the British in foreign lands, obviously!

I'm sure there are others, but you get the gist...

I’d also add;
The deep state
Lefty lawyers (probably woke as well)
Anyone that doesn’t identify as straight, white and generally male (and therefore scares the sh1te out of them)
The woke mind virus

List subject to change/expansion, just as soon as their grifting idols tell them what to be upset about/blame their sh1te lives on.

 

[Commander]

There is a argument that Brighton and Hove hasn't seen the rapid change in its indentity through mass immigration like some communities further north. Brighton isn't the most culturally diverse city in the UK. Tolerant and open yes, diverse? No. I reckon there are quite a few champagne socialists on this thread.

This is definitely a valid point. It is easy to sneer at people who live in some dump of a town that immigration really has had a big effect on a thick racists, but if Sussex had been massively affected by it, I do think a lot of people here might think differently about it. And Brighton is definitely a bit of a bubble, with residents that think it is a multi-cultural melting-pot because it is a tolerant left wing city, but it isn't really, it's a very white place.

 

[Hometownglory]

Pathetic post.

What the f*** do you know about 'mass immigration' up north?
Places like Burnley with a massive Asian population aren't diverse. The races barely mix.
And the 'change' happened there in the 50s.
When Enoch Powell and other Tories invited brown people in from around the empire to do our shit jobs.

Brighton is diverse, but in a different way.
Yes, with people not scared to mix, or have gay mates, or the occasional brown person.
But it is easy to hide away in whatever suburb of Hove you live,
sipping your prosecco,
imagining it's all straight and white

Woahh I was only sharing a potentially different viewpoint. You've come across quite riled.
As a gay man myself, I feel so fortunate and proud to be from our city, with its long history of openess and acceptance, particularly with LGBT people. However, I understand that Brighton is a bubble. We don't have subcommunities (that I am aware of) challenging this openess and acceptance.

I will continue to argue that Brighton is not culturally diverse. Over 90% of the city is white, 50% not having a religion and 40% being Christian. To me, that isn't diverse.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Woahh I was only sharing a potentially different viewpoint. You've come across quite riled.
As a gay man myself, I feel so fortunate and proud to be from our city, with its long history of openess and acceptance, particularly with LGBT people. However, I understand that Brighton is a bubble. We don't have subcommunities (that I am aware of) challenging this openess and acceptance.

I will continue to argue that Brighton is not culturally diverse. Over 90% of the city is white, 50% not having a religion and 40% being Christian. To me, that isn't diverse.

Apologies. I realized that was a bit much and have already edited what I wrote.
This is my fault. Missreading the intention.

I'll delete the post....

 

[Springal]

This is definitely a valid point. It is easy to sneer at people who live in some dump of a town that immigration really has had a big effect on a thick racists, but if Sussex had been massively affected by it, I do think a lot of people here might think differently about it. And Brighton is definitely a bit of a bubble, with residents that think it is a multi-cultural melting-pot because it is a tolerant left wing city, but it isn't really, it's a very white place.

It’s a good appoint, especially if you compare to say Crawley which gets called a shit hole fairly regularly on here

 

[BadFish]

There is a argument that Brighton and Hove hasn't seen the rapid change in its indentity through mass immigration like some communities further north. Brighton isn't the most culturally diverse city in the UK. Tolerant and open yes, diverse? No. I reckon there are quite a few champagne socialists on this thread.

A bit of socialism would certainly improve those places for everyone regardless of passport or immigration status by redirecting the wealth away from London-based oligarchs and billionaires.

Of course, people chose to vote for the same Neo-Liberal con election after election so we will probably never find out.

I don't like champagne.

Edit: I am not really a socialist either, a bit more of it wouldn't go a miss though.

 

[A1X]

There is a argument that Brighton and Hove hasn't seen the rapid change in its indentity through mass immigration like some communities further north.

The problem with this argument is nobody I’ve ever come across can ever articulate what those “changes in identity” actually are.

Most of them boil down to either “there’s more people around who aren’t white these days and I don’t like that” (well boo f***ing hoo, grow up ya big daft racists) or wider societal issues which have nothing to do with immigration (e.g. closure of pubs or churches) and are happening everywhere.

And FWIW I have lived in an ethnically diverse part of the country for several years, and at no point did I ever find myself feeling threatened or like my identity was changing. Admittedly I wasn’t there to see what Coventry looked like in the 1970s but then I wasn’t around to see what anywhere looked like in the 1970s. If anything it helped me realise that people who aren’t white aren’t a threat.

 

[Guinness Boy]

There is an argument that Brighton and Hove hasn't seen the rapid change in its indentity through mass immigration like some communities further north. Brighton isn't the most culturally diverse city in the UK. Tolerant and open yes, diverse? No. I reckon there are quite a few champagne socialists on this thread.

What’s “socialist” about being tolerant and open?

 

[BadFish]

The problem with this argument is nobody I’ve ever come across can ever articulate what those “changes in identity” actually are.

Most of them boil down to either “there’s more people around who aren’t white these days and I don’t like that” (well boo f***ing hoo, grow up ya big daft racists) or wider societal issues which have nothing to do with immigration (e.g. closure of pubs or churches) and are happening everywhere.

And FWIW I have lived in an ethnically diverse part of the country for several years, and at no point did I ever find myself feeling threatened or like my identity was changing. Admittedly I wasn’t there to see what Coventry looked like in the 1970s but then I wasn’t around to see what anywhere looked like in the 1970s. If anything it helped me realise that people who aren’t white aren’t a threat.

Multiculturalism in Coventry in the 70's created Two Tone and the ska revival - which for me is a positive.

It is also worth pointing out that mostly people from multicultural areas always seem to rub along pretty well with everyone. From memory, the like of Nige and his reform numpties have far more luck in white bread constituencies like Clacton than immigration hotbeds.

Happy to be proven wrong about this if things have changed of course

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The problem with this argument is nobody I’ve ever come across can ever articulate what those “changes in identity” actually are.

Most of them boil down to either “there’s more people around who aren’t white these days and I don’t like that” (well boo f***ing hoo, grow up ya big daft racists) or wider societal issues which have nothing to do with immigration (e.g. closure of pubs or churches) and are happening everywhere.

And FWIW I have lived in an ethnically diverse part of the country for several years, and at no point did I ever find myself feeling threatened or like my identity was changing. Admittedly I wasn’t there to see what Coventry looked like in the 1970s but then I wasn’t around to see what anywhere looked like in the 1970s. If anything it helped me realise that people who aren’t white aren’t a threat.

I had two goes at replying to his post, and deleted both in the end. You can see my first ham-fisted effort in his (unsurprisingly) disappointed reply.

My take is that 'identity', 'mass immigration up north', and 'champaign socialist' are not the best way to suggest that Brighton is less diverse than say Burnley, and that this is why people from Brighton don't understand the real difficulties faced by white people up north.

I simply don't accept any of that narrative, no matter how well-meant the post.

The mass immigration up north took place mainly in the 50s and the communities never mixed.
Maybe it is better now, but presumably it isn't, if 'racial tension' was sufficient to trigger riots last summer
(except they was triggered by bad actors preying on the instincts of thick white racists. Up North).

The implication that we had no 'race riots' in Brighton because Brighton is not diverse and we are champagne socialists is,
well, a bit rude. A bit patronizing. Even if this wasn't the intention.

I got quite cross, but have apologized for my response.

As a hypothesis why Brighton didn't riot it is interesting, but I think the real reason is
Brighton does not have a long history of white working class reactionary right wing, school of hard knocks, tradition.
And we don't have a load of brown people who have live in their own suburbs since the 1950s to scapegoat for every little ill.
So Brighton has always been a bit wayward, naughty, daring, exotic, shabby and exciting.
We are curious. We embrace tourism. We have nice weather.
Why on earth would anyone expect us to behave like folk from Burnley?

 

[Hometownglory]

I had two goes at replying to his post, and deleted both in the end. You can see my first ham-fisted effort in his (unsurprisingly) disappointed reply.

My take is that 'identity', 'mass immigration up north', and 'champaign socialist' are not the best way to suggest that Brighton is less diverse than say Burnley, and that this is why people from Brighton don't understand the real difficulties faced by white people up north.

I simply don't accept any of that narrative, no matter how well-meant the post.

The mass immigration up north took place mainly in the 50s and the communities never mixed.
Maybe it is better now, but presumably it isn't, if 'racial tension' was sufficient to trigger riots last summer
(except they was triggered by bad actors preying on the instincts of thick white racists. Up North).

The implication that we had no 'race riots' in Brighton because Brighton is not diverse and we are champagne socialists is,
well, a bit rude. A bit patronizing. Even if this wasn't the intention.

I got quite cross, but have apologized for my response.

As a hypothesis why Brighton didn't riot it is interesting, but I think the real reason is
Brighton does not have a long history of white working class reactionary right wing, school of hard knocks, tradition.
And we don't have a load of brown people who have live in their own suburbs since the 1950s to scapegoat for every little ill.
So Brighton has always been a bit wayward, naughty, daring, exotic, shabby and exciting.
We are curious. We embrace tourism. We have nice weather.
Why on earth would anyone expect us to behave like folk from Burnley?

My original post was well intended and I do accept that 'champagne socialists' perhaps was not the best turn of phrase to use. I was just attempting to explore a different angle. Identity for me, comes from the sense of belonging and the feeling of connection with your community. I feel a strong connection with Brighton, not just because it's my hometown but because of its LGBT openesss and acceptance. Thats personal to me of course and wont be the same for everyone.

Now, say for argument sake, this was challenged or changed due to a changing demographic of the city, would I feel my connection or belonging to my home town lost...?

I don't know...maybe, maybe not. I personally feel it's not a bad thing to explore these feelings in an attempt to understand wider issues.

Anyways, apologise for getting you cross!