Premiership Managers On Failing Youth Academies

[Southover Street Seagull]

and my list above shows clubs do.

If you did that we would still have players like Jody Morris playing in top flight.

Funny how we have not failed to get to a major final since the influx of forign players

Also funny that France have not failed to qualify for a mjor finals recently too. They have far more home grown talent in their top division.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Also funny that France have not failed to qualify for a mjor finals recently too. They have far more home grown talent in their top division.

It depends if by home grown you mean African.

 

[Monkster]

There are loads.....all your list shows are players brought through the academy and still with the same club........e.g Bentley - was ARSEnal now Blackburn, Warnock - was Liverpool now Blackburn etc.....

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

It depends if by home grown you mean African.

I mean players that have been brought through their youth acadamies whether they are born in Africa and have dual citizenship is irrelevant. The key thing is they have been brought through the French youth acadamey system.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

There are loads.....all your list shows are players brought through the academy and still with the same club........e.g Bentley - was ARSEnal now Blackburn, Warnock - was Liverpool now Blackburn etc.....

Aren't we missing the point here, it's the Premiership managers who are saying the acadamies are failing. Why do think that is?
Because it costs more money to develop a youth team player than go out and by someone at 20-21 years old.
Also wasn't the idea of the acadamies to produce a line of future England talent. I haven't seen Bentley or Warnock play for England much lately have you?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

There are loads.....all your list shows are players brought through the academy and still with the same club........e.g Bentley - was ARSEnal now Blackburn, Warnock - was Liverpool now Blackburn etc.....

I know - that was just off the top of my head.

 

[Monkster]

I haven't seen Bentley or Warnock play for England much lately have you?

Warnock has been called up and Bentley was a regular Under 21.....

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I know - that was just off the top of my head.

Kinky you haven't answered my question about your comment on my post being bollocks.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Warnock has been called up and Bentley was a regular Under 21.....

Where is Warnock's name on this list?

Goalkeepers: Robinson (Tottenham), Foster (Man Utd, on loan at Watford), Carson (Liverpool, on loan at Charlton).

Defenders: Richards (Man City), Ferdinand (Man Utd), Terry (Chelsea, capt), Woodgate (Real Madrid, on loan at Middlesbrough), Carragher (Liverpool), A Cole (Chelsea), P Neville (Everton), Barry (Aston Villa), L Young (Charlton).

Midfielders: Gerrard (Liverpool), Hargreaves (Bayern Munich), Lampard (Chelsea), Lennon (Tottenham), Parker (Newcastle), Carrick (Man Utd), Dyer (Newcastle), Downing (Middlesbrough).

Forwards: Johnson (Everton), Rooney (Man Utd), Defoe (Tottenham), Nugent (Preston).

 

[Mendoza]

its only top flight managers that are complaining about the failing youth academies.

every other club makes a living out of producing the talent and selling them on for profit

if you put a youngster in at any level higher than they are perceived, they will improve

look at our boys, by all rights, the likes of robinson, cox, fraser, rents etc should all be playing at team slike worthing. but we put them in at league 1 level and they adapted really well, and have become much better players and at a faster rate than what was probably predicted.

the same goes for crewe with the likes of varney, maynard etc

 

[Monkster]

Aren't we missing the point here, it's the Premiership managers who are saying the acadamies are failing. Why do think that is?
Because it costs more money to develop a youth team player than go out and by someone at 20-21 years old.

And even that is bollox......Wenger BOUGHT Fabregas aged 17, BOUGHT Denilson aged 17 along with Diaby, Alialiere etc...

 

[Monkster]

Where is Warnock's name on this list?

Goalkeepers: Robinson (Tottenham), Foster (Man Utd, on loan at Watford), Carson (Liverpool, on loan at Charlton).

Defenders: Richards (Man City), Ferdinand (Man Utd), Terry (Chelsea, capt), Woodgate (Real Madrid, on loan at Middlesbrough), Carragher (Liverpool), A Cole (Chelsea), P Neville (Everton), Barry (Aston Villa), L Young (Charlton).

Midfielders: Gerrard (Liverpool), Hargreaves (Bayern Munich), Lampard (Chelsea), Lennon (Tottenham), Parker (Newcastle), Carrick (Man Utd), Dyer (Newcastle), Downing (Middlesbrough).

Forwards: Johnson (Everton), Rooney (Man Utd), Defoe (Tottenham), Nugent (Preston).

Did I say this Squad? err NO

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Did I say this Squad? err NO

Being called up generally means being called into the squad!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

What part of my post do you think is bollocks?
There is not that many English players there that play for English clubs is there? The whole point of the acadamies as I see it was to help the England team in the long run. The more English players playing in Premiership sides the better for England. As I see it there aren't many English first team players playing in the Premiership nowadays.

Sorry Missed your post.


Basically the Premiership doesn't give a shit about bringing on young English players anymore,


That part.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

And even that is bollox......Wenger BOUGHT Fabregas aged 17, BOUGHT Denilson aged 17 along with Diaby, Alialiere etc...

Bu aren't Arsenal the exception the rule nowadays? They seem to be the only club that plays a lot of their youth team players, like in the Carling Cup. A lot of Premiership clubs like to buy cheaper young foreign talent as English young players cost far more money.

 

[Monkster]

http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.r...ies Bulletin&breadcrumb=acadbullet_breadcrumb

Not one mention that the Academies were set for HOMEGROWN players

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

if you put a youngster in at any level higher than they are perceived, they will improve

You could say that only goes so far - last years relegation proves that.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Sorry Missed your post.


Basically the Premiership doesn't give a shit about bringing on young English players anymore,


That part.

Ok that is a fair comment, perhaps I should have worded my statement thus:

Basically the Premiership doesn't give as much importance to bringing on young English talent as it used to 5-10 years ago.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Bu aren't Arsenal the exception the rule nowadays? They seem to be the only club that plays a lot of their youth team players, like in the Carling Cup. A lot of Premiership clubs like to buy cheaper young foreign talent as English young players cost far more money.

Can you blame them £7 million for Ashton?! - Even Pardew said they had been done.
£21 million for swp?
WBA want 10million for Davis
Soton 10 for bates - you could buy an international with 50 caps for less than half that.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ok that is a fair comment, perhaps I should have worded my statement thus:

Basically the Premiership doesn't give as much importance to bringing on young English talent as it used to 5-10 years ago.

Fair dos

Again only certain clubs.